I guess...but I looked at the slew of RPGs on the 360 by Japanese producers, and I'll pass. I'm not sure what MC2 plays like, and I have it on rental order thru Gamespy, but if it plays like LO, SO4, TOV, etc...it's not the style of RPG that I prefer. I'll stick with Dragon Age and others that I like...even Risen's demo was fun (on the PC)

Everything I don't argue with I agree on.

Character creation ( full creation options. )

You do not get full character customibility. If I wanted my character to have 5 heads, I cannot do that unless I'm making the game. Like always there are presets. Also Character Creation has very little to do with Role Playing games unless you are playing the Role of a god. Normal Humans, Elves, Dwarfs, etc don't create themselves. Remember let's try to be as realistic as possible. That is pretty much what "role playing" is.

A main story but no forceful linear path.

Not necessarily true. In order for a story to be non-linear you need to take it in any direction you want. The difference between that and a WRPGs story is that the WRPG still has presets for you. You can NOT do anything you want with it. So instead of having 1 linear path in a Jrpg, you have multiple in a WRPG. If you want to do any quest, you have a story. I don't care if it is as simple as kill 5 dogs, that is still a story. Also like I said, gameplay is the most defining factor of a "video game" genre. You can have linear stories in sandbox games, and nonlinear stories in linear games.

Battle choices. ( example : 3 elfs come from the left what are you going to do? Something a DM may say. )

I don't get this. You either run or you attack using what ever way you want. How is this specific to RPGs? I hope the game gives you choices. Otherwise it isn't much of a game is it?

Influence on multiple story arcs throughout the games. In ME's case in double figures according to ME2 and the choices made in ME1.

 What is influenced? The choices you make? I can tell you many Jrpgs where a choice you make affects the story. Neither games have the level of detail a "real" role playing game would give you.

How about I ask you this? Is The Legend of Zelda an RPG? It has pretty much everything that you listed.  To be honest, the only way I see a real RPG is if you take out the story and allow players to develop any content they want for the game. Then you could pretty much do anything that you can do in the Real or Fantasy world, and that is when it is qualified as an RPG. As of yet, there isn't a game that does either.

Some people are straying from the argument. It isn't is a WRPG more of an RPG than a JRPG. It is whether or not WRPGs could be classified as RPGs.

Edit: This is all discounting that my argument was off topic from the start. Actually whoever said Demon Souls is a WRPG made it off topic. I guess once the main point of the thread is either proven right or wrong the thread declines into off topic discussion.

Basically, it shouldn't be an RPG, but everybody classifies it as one. I was just defending my part that went in there. I hope that clears my other post up.

That may not be what you think an RPG is. But that is what the traditional RPG game is. That is why it's called Role Playing. Because you essentially are taking the role of anothers life choices. It originated with the Pen and Paper game. And all these things count out JRPG's. Because any choice put to you in JRPG's is 1 or the other. Not 1 of many. Background stories for your character are important choices to make. Because it determines many things in the game. None of these are in any JRPG Ive ever played. Ive ot played all, but Ive played alot. They should be called adventure games.

Im playing Magna Carta II right NOW along side DW6: Empries for my PS3, and to be honest my GOD im highly impressed by BOTH games, though granted im only Renting MCII for my 360 because i have a feeling MCII will also come to PS3, but anyway to your question... ITS MUCH BETTER THEN ToV, Much, Much, Much better!

But from the looks of it and by your question, DS and PSP still has better JRPG's then MCII, I hear Demons Souls is a real good game to, but i dont know if its a true JRPG... to be honest... i dont even think MCII is a JRPG at all... >_>

You are choosing what you like about D&D, not what defines it as a game. If your DM gave you character sheets and had you play through a largely linear story you would still be playing D&D.

I hate these genre debates.

JRPG aren't RPGs.
Uncharted isn't a an adventure game, it is a third-person shooter.
Blah blah blah blah blah...

Who cares?

I have always called games like Final Fantasy, Shadow Hearts, Chrono Trigger (multiple choices, multiple paths, multiple ending), Suikoden, Tales, etc... RPGs. They have been called RPGs long before this stupid debate as far as I know.

Thats more a WRPG in play style.

Read the thread. Somebody already said the same thing, and we discussed it. I do not want everything going back to this point and everything go back into an endless loop.