| Final-Fan said: @ slimebeast: Bush, along with a new administration in S. Korea at about the same time, actually antagonized N. Korea and reversed progress that had been made. So I disagree with respect to that country at least. |
Huh? The US convinced the N Koreans to lay down it's nuke program years before Obama was even considered a President candiate.
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srsly? Bush got as close to a free ride as any modern president has gotten from the media. |
Are you joking? He was demonized by the media and still is today.
Well, I guess I was exaggerating, but unless someone lied to me the Bush administration got the New York Times to hold off on breaking the warrantless wiretapping scandal until it wouldn't endanger the 2004 elections. That's unheard-of!
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Slimebeast said:
Huh? The US convinced the N Koreans to lay down it's nuke program years before Obama was even considered a President candiate. |
I'm talking about like back in 2000 or thereabouts, there was a lot of progress being made, people crossing the border for work, S. Koreans funding/operating (?) a factory in N. Korea, stuff like that (I'm fuzzy on the details), but then a new S. Korean administration decided to say "screw you NK!" and shut things down, and the Bush administration was not exactly helping the situation. So this could easily be seen as inciting or at least encouraging the N. Korean bad behavior of that decade.
Or so I've heard.
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outlawauron said:
Are you joking? He was demonized by the media and still is today. |
Yep pretty much although was one-sided as well. Of course sounds very familiary to what's going on today which is also one-sided. Point is either the media isn't doing their job or some are louder than others.
| Final-Fan said: Well, I guess I was exaggerating, but unless someone lied to me the Bush administration got the New York Times to hold off on breaking the warrantless wiretapping scandal until it wouldn't endanger the 2004 elections. That's unheard-of! |
As a guess, someone lied to you ...
Heading into the 2004 elections many major news organizations were doing anything in their power to make George W. Bush look bad; and CBS took it to an extreme level when Dan Rather accepted fabricated documents to slander George W. Bush, and wouldn't retract the story even after the documents were proven to be fraudulent. In the wake of the Dan Rather scandal (pretty much) every major news organization started actually checking facts and ensuring their story was correct before running it. It is extremely likely that any delay from the New York Times was from fact checking rather than from any efforts from the President.
HappySqurriel said:
As a guess, someone lied to you ... Heading into the 2004 elections many major news organizations were doing anything in their power to make George W. Bush look bad; and CBS took it to an extreme level when Dan Rather accepted fabricated documents to slander George W. Bush, and wouldn't retract the story even after the documents were proven to be fraudulent. In the wake of the Dan Rather scandal (pretty much) every major news organization started actually checking facts and ensuring their story was correct before running it. It is extremely likely that any delay from the New York Times was from fact checking rather than from any efforts from the President. |
Yea but as my point still stands... this happened on both sides as well. It's just we are going to remember the ones that came on the winner's side more than that of the loser. Same how it happened this past election. The issue is the media needs to stop getting so involved in it personally (or at least the loudest ones). Or hit the root of the issue and stop having the ignorant people listen to without questioning it or as Green Day dubbed "American Idiots".
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As a guess, someone lied to you ... Heading into the 2004 elections many major news organizations were doing anything in their power to make George W. Bush look bad; and CBS took it to an extreme level when Dan Rather accepted fabricated documents to slander George W. Bush, and wouldn't retract the story even after the documents were proven to be fraudulent. In the wake of the Dan Rather scandal (pretty much) every major news organization started actually checking facts and ensuring their story was correct before running it. It is extremely likely that any delay from the New York Times was from fact checking rather than from any efforts from the President. |
Hmm ... looks like you may be partly right.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/08/14/times/index.html
It sounds like although the Times dragged its feet somewhat on this story, they would have been pushing the envelope to get it out before the election. And it sounds like the Bush administration's interference was the usual, "What? Illegal? Nooo...", instead of political pressure.
But they could easily have done it in time to screw Bush if they'd wanted to.
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Final-Fan said:
Hmm ... looks like you may be partly right. |
Not likely. Afterall as previously mentioned... Rather already rushed one story proven false... if the times rushed another story... it could of destroyed the story and nobody would of believed it was happening... and it likely would still be something unknown.
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