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Forums - Sales - PS3>Wii In Japan this Week, DESPITE Wii Price Cut - thoughts!!??

50$ price cut (5000 yen which is actually more than 50$)

Clearly going by the Balance Board bundled unit sales of Wii Fit+, the price cut was the one that generated the bump.



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i'm glad japanese are finally noticing the superior product.



ioi said:

Oh man, this is getting a little tired now guys.

Listen, this is a forum so debate is welcomed but the next person who personally attacks a site admin and accuses them of bias will be permabanned - be warned.

Good charts, also pointing out the past remodels and price drop changes.

But i hope you understand the difference between most of us who may be critical of numbers or analysis are not critical of those who write said analysis.

You warned me i was going to be banned for simply stating disparity in recent analysis to released numbers, which obvious is not a personal, but you took it as an attack.....your opinions are no more safe from debate than others, you may be awesome, but youre not that awesome



steverhcp02 said:
ioi said:

Oh man, this is getting a little tired now guys.

Listen, this is a forum so debate is welcomed but the next person who personally attacks a site admin and accuses them of bias will be permabanned - be warned.

Good charts, also pointing out the past remodels and price drop changes.

But i hope you understand the difference between most of us who may be critical of numbers or analysis are not critical of those who write said analysis.

You warned me i was going to be banned for simply stating disparity in recent analysis to released numbers, which obvious is not a personal, but you took it as an attack.....your opinions are no more safe from debate than others, you may be awesome, but youre not that awesome

He's also the site owner and can pick and choose who he allows on his site, this isn't Gamespots forums where they're owned by a big corporation :P just be warned



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
steverhcp02 said:
ioi said:

Oh man, this is getting a little tired now guys.

Listen, this is a forum so debate is welcomed but the next person who personally attacks a site admin and accuses them of bias will be permabanned - be warned.

Good charts, also pointing out the past remodels and price drop changes.

But i hope you understand the difference between most of us who may be critical of numbers or analysis are not critical of those who write said analysis.

You warned me i was going to be banned for simply stating disparity in recent analysis to released numbers, which obvious is not a personal, but you took it as an attack.....your opinions are no more safe from debate than others, you may be awesome, but youre not that awesome

He's also the site owner and can pick and choose who he allows on his site, this isn't Gamespots forums where they're owned by a big corporation :P just be warned

haha, i guess, but if thats how things run around here, permabanning at a whim, then yikes! disappointing!

EDIT: Also, how gaf handled him is why i refuse to visit their sits, even when news is linked via here....so itd be extremely disappointing if thats how he ran the site



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steverhcp02 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
steverhcp02 said:
ioi said:

Oh man, this is getting a little tired now guys.

Listen, this is a forum so debate is welcomed but the next person who personally attacks a site admin and accuses them of bias will be permabanned - be warned.

Good charts, also pointing out the past remodels and price drop changes.

But i hope you understand the difference between most of us who may be critical of numbers or analysis are not critical of those who write said analysis.

You warned me i was going to be banned for simply stating disparity in recent analysis to released numbers, which obvious is not a personal, but you took it as an attack.....your opinions are no more safe from debate than others, you may be awesome, but youre not that awesome

He's also the site owner and can pick and choose who he allows on his site, this isn't Gamespots forums where they're owned by a big corporation :P just be warned

haha, i guess, but if thats how things run around here, permabanning at a whim, then yikes! disappointing!

EDIT: Also, how gaf handled him is why i refuse to visit their sits, even when news is linked via here....so itd be extremely disappointing if thats how he ran the site

No I'm just making sure you realize it's not one of those sites you can run around saying anything you want to whomever you want because you have a "right" to be here, not saying you're that way at all just your reply came off a little leaning that way. 

It's just one of the attitudes that gets under my skin a little is all.  It's like "ZOMG this is the internet where I have the RIGHT to say what I want and go on anyones site and say it if I feel like it!"  People seem to forget there's someone that has to own/run the site for them to use it and in the end if you purposely become a pain they have every right and power to bar you from their site :P (again not saying that was the intention just came off a little that way)



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leo-j said:
wichdog69 said:
What about the states? does anyone have the numbers for the states?
OT: I'm sure the wii will be fine in japan.

Wii 150k

PS3 85K

360 70K

 

so so far we have:

Wii: 182K

PS3: 120K

360: 74K

PSP WORLD WIDE: 211K

we are missing others,

We have ?

I see we only have Japan numbers and a preview on front site for USA

Considering that preview for WSR showed 700k and actual numbers when that week was put into VGC database were 552k I wouldn't take it for granted.



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gansito said:
i'm glad japanese are finally noticing the superior product.

what are you talking about? Japan always noticed the DS



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
ViolentPhlegm said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
@ montana, read what ioi wrote, that is all


I was just about to suggest that you should read some of ioi's posts.  ioi says price cuts move hardware.

You are alone in your opinion that they do not.


  Did you read what he said, he said that it was the slim, not the price cut that resulted in the large sales

The massive PS3 spike was DUE TO THE PS3 SLIM MODEL, not purely from a PRICE CUT. If PS3 had just had the price reduced it would have done more like 65k - 55k - 50k - 45k - 35k or whatever. OVER HALF of the intital spike was from people buying the new model.

So yeah the Idea that price cuts drive sales is not supported, first off PS3 sales had dropped off for weeks in Japan

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS3®1=Japan&cons2=PS3®2=Japan&cons3=PS3®3=Japan&start=39873&end=40083

from the low 20K's to the low thousands, so if it had been only a price cut, most of those sales would have just been people who would have bought it anyways, thy just decided to hold off until the price cut

 

Exactly.  "Not purely from a price cut".  ioi says the spike was a combination of the price cut and hardware redesign and gives us some "whatever" numbers that suggest the PS3 would have lifted to 65k from its 10k baseline and then continued to sell well for at least 5 weeks without a hardware redesign.  (I know these are just off-the-top-of-his-head numbers, not calculated but still...) 

Look at ioi's graphs showing price cut effects.  They are meant to illustrate the difference between a price cut with hardware redesign vs a price cut only.  When there's a hardware redesign (like PS3 slim) with the sales cut, there's a huge spike followed by an immediate decline but still elevated sales.  When there's a price cut only, there's a milder increase but it results in a sustained lift for a long time.  This is why ioi expects Wii sales to increase next week.  It's because of the price cut and historical data shows that this usually means an increase in Week 1 followed another increase in Week 2.

You have ridiculously been arguing that price cut has NO effect.  No one believes this but you.  You also seem to think that everyone else thinks that the PS3's increases were solely due to the price cut.  No one believes that either.  Everyone else believes that there is a combination of factors (but may disagree on how much each factor contributes) and if you'd calm down and read their posts carefully, you'd see that.

You would do your credibility a favour if you did not cling to absolutes in your arguments.  There is a world of difference in saying something has little effect to saying that it has no effect.