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Yridian said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

No, that was blatant arrogance. Mocking the competition, claiming the system would sell even if there weren't any games for it, and telling the consumer they should fall at Sony's feet for selling the system so 'cheap.'

And still quantifies as risk regardless.



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CGI-Quality said:
angrypoolman said:
Onyxmeth said:
noname2200 said:
They took the risk that the market insisted on Blu-Ray now.

They took the risk that tilt controls would entice the populace.

They took the risk that the market is willing to support a purely DD handheld.

They took the risk that third-parties would continue to make exclusives for their system without extensive moneyhatting.

They took the risk that their first and second party studios could carry their systems single-handedly.

They took the risk of consumers getting a second job just to buy their system.

They took the risk that the rest of the corporation was willing to subsidize them even if they lost all the money they've assembled in the past decade.

They're about to take the risk that people will want to pay for and play with the Wand.

Nintendo, by contrast, does extensive research about almost every aspect of gaming and gamers before they commit to any move. This includes the DS and the Wii. They also take moves to minimize any harm that results if they read the market incorrectly.



No, I'd say he's being pretty accurate.

You're right. Not only is all of that ridiculously risky, it's also reckless. In that context he's right, but that just makes seem like a company that doesn't know what they're doing.

uh oh, onyxmeth entered the scene. this shit just got heavy.

Apparently it has.......

I think I see a copy of Heavy Rain somewhere in there......



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CGI-Quality said:
cdude1034 said:
CGI-Quality said:
cdude1034 said:
CGI-Quality said:
cdude1034 said:
CGI-Quality said:
cdude1034 said:
I'm confused, how is a console based completely on motion controls not riskier than anything Sony has ever done?

Don't feel like quoting, but putting big money into either novel or old IP's isn't a 'risk', it's a cost of doing business.

If Sony doesn't talk trash, how will anyone continue to respect them? Some companies can let the results do the talking. Others rely on their mouths.

From the looks and talk of Sony's games, I'd say their games do PLENTY of talking...

Now if only there were the sales to back that up...

You can say your games are the best all you want, but if nobody buys them (or another likely scenario, there aren't many people TO buy them), it doesn't matter.

Interesting, how'd you draw that ridiculous conclusion?

Also, I see you're one of those: "sales=quality" people. Not sure you're the right person to debate with....

No, not really, but you yourself said the games do the talking. What is their voice if not the people who buy them? One person can say they think X is the best game ever, and five others can say they hate it, and of course the reverse.

All talk does is get us nowhere. There has to be a way to qualitatively compare games, and reviews (see: opinions) are not a valid way of doing so.

So please, kindly take your preconcieved notions and throw them out before bashing someone else's thoughts.

Perceived quality does the talking, sales aren't everything you know. You'll learn one day that slaes =/= quality as judging from this post tells me you still believe it does. Why so defensive though? If you can't deal with a little subjectivity, you're on the wrong part of the site. You saying that "nobody buys Sony's games" IS ridiculous and inaccurate. Bashing this fallacy is rational there.

You think sales do the talikng, which if you want sequels, perhaps. But I stand by the assessment that quality does the talking, because plenty of quality games will never see Halo, Mario, or Gran Turismo-like sales.

I stand by my original assessment though, as of now, you aren't the right individual to discuss this with.

I gotta say, I can't find a single part where I said no one buys Sony's games. PS3 has what, 15+ million sellers? That's a lot of games. I'm not anti-PS3...

I will say this, you're right, sales aren't EVERYTHING. They're just the bottom line. Developers can go out of business if they pour too many resources into a failed game.

Why am I defensive? I can't exactly see that, but why are you so OFFensive? The beast fights its hardest just before the end of its life.

Quality is important, yes, but quality doesn't put food on the table unless people en masse can recognize the 'value' said quality can provide.

cdude 1034 said:

"Now if only there were the sales to back that up".

"You can say your games are the best all you want but if nobody's buys them (or another likely scenario, there aren't many people TO buy them) it doesn't matter.

CGI-Quality says: I rest my case...

Sigh. I'll ignore the fact that you'll ignore the substance of my piece. (see what I did there? :-p)

Sales are relative. Sony's games do sell! They've sold millions of copies of a variety of games. They just haven't sold as many games as the other consoles.

If you don't want to have a substanstive discussion with any facts (re: not opinions) to back your views up, that's fine. That's what the internet is, a place for people to say what they want to say. If you want to ignore the important parts of my posts, that's your perogative.

Back on topic, Sony has taken risks. Everyone has. Throwing your hat in the ring in general is considered a risk. But to say Sony is the only company that has, or has taken the most is almost indefensible.



 

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Seriously, I knew that Sony would become arrogant sooner or later, but I didn't think it was THAT soon.



What is wrong with them? Why do they consistently make weird statements and what are the circumstances? Do they just go out and talk to the media or do they have weekly interviews to make these statements? I don't understand lol



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I wonder if the comment was made for Japanese stock market investors.
I can think of no other reason to make those comments.

After all, while there might have been research and forethought that went into the DS and the Wii, almost every analyst thought the PSP and PS3 would blow those consoles away.

So for Nintendo to outsell Sony's hardware -- and sell at a profit (no financial risk) -- knocking Nintendo just sounds like sour grapes.

Mike from Morgantown

PS -- It is not good for the world for Sony Playstation to win. I would prefer Mattel Intellivision.



      


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theARTIST0017 said:

"In an industry that's certainly had its challenges this year, we like to say that the environment where PlayStation wins is best for this industry. We have a brand that can play on a worldwide basis, young and old, male and female, where our competition tends to be relegated to either select regions or to select consumer audiences. ...We don't have unlimited money, we cater to a more mass market audience. I think we're willing to take a little bit more risk than a competitor like Nintendo is and ultimately we deliver to the masses on a worldwide basis and that's what we've done for the last 15 years." - SCEA boss Jack Tretton

 

That's what got to me. I don't care that he said Playstation is the best for the industry. That can be argued, but REALLY? Jack you must be on something because the last time I checked Nintendo is where you got a lot of your ideas from. Was dual screens not risky enough for you? Or maybe it was TILT SENSORS! I wonder.

Your thoughts.

 

Edit: Link- http://www.destructoid.com/sony-winning-is-best-for-the-industry-says-sony-151113.phtml

Slow down for a second there, you're confusing risk with innovation (yes, innovation has risk associated with it, but that's not what they mean)

 

One great example of Nintendo being a risk adverse company and Sony being a risk loving company is with the predictions of how many consoles the company will sell, Nintendo always predicts low then raises, Sony always predicts high then lowers



i can't believe how people take the ps3 as a fail in the gaming industry... selling faster than ps1 and 360.
i can't believe how people thinks that the ps3 didn't take any risk... Blu-ray, $600 price point, $800 the hardware ensamble.
i can't believe how people say that the ps3 games don't sell well when we're seeing the ps3 sales right now and before this time competing with the 360 sales with a much lower install base.
i can't believe how people thinks that sony DOESN'T know what they're doing... YOU, student/worker/kid, YOU KNOW MORE THAN THE PEOPLE WORKING IN ONE OF THE BEST COMPANIES IN THE WORLD? THE PEOPLE WHO CREATE, DEVELOP and SOLD ONE OF THE BEST CONSOLES IN THE GAMING HISTORY, IF NOT THE BEST?

if your answer is yes.



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Here's what really happened between Sony and Nintendo.

The first conceptions of the PlayStation date back to 1986. Nintendo had been attempting to work with disc technology since the Famicom, but the medium had problems. Its rewritable magnetic nature could be easily erased (thus leading to a lack of durability), and the discs were a copyright infringement danger. Consequently, when details of CDROM/XA (an extension of the CD-ROM format that combines compressed audio, visual and computer data, allowing all to be accessed simultaneously) came out, Nintendo was interested. CD-ROM/XA was being simultaneously developed by Sony and Philips. Nintendo approached Sony to develop a CD-ROM add-on, tentatively titled the "SNES-CD". A contract was signed, and work began. Nintendo's choice of Sony was due to a prior dealing: Ken Kutaragi, the person who would later be dubbed "The Father of PlayStation", was the individual who had sold Nintendo on using the Sony SPC-700 processor for use as the eight-channel ADPCM sound synthesis set in the Super Famicom/SNES console through an impressive demonstration of the processor's capabilities.

Sony also planned to develop another, Nintendo compatible, Sony-branded console, but one which would be more of a home entertainment system playing both Super Nintendo cartridges and a new CD format which Sony would design. This was also to be the format used in SNES-CD discs, giving a large degree of control to Sony despite Nintendo's leading position in the video gaming market.

The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.

After the collapse of the joint project, Sony considered halting their research, but ultimately the company decided to use what they had developed so far and make it into a complete, stand alone console. As a result, Nintendo filed a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and attempted, in U.S. federal court, to obtain an injunction against the release of the PlayStation, on the grounds that Nintendo owned the name. The federal judge presiding over the case denied the injunction and, in October 1991, the first incarnation of the new Sony PlayStation was revealed. However, it is theorized that only 200 or so of these machines were ever produced.

By the end of 1992, Sony and Nintendo reached a deal whereby the "Sony Play Station" would still have a port for SNES games, but Nintendo would own the rights and receive the bulk of the profits from the games, and the SNES would continue to use the Sony-designed audio chip. However, Sony decided in early 1993 to begin reworking the "Play Station" concept to target a new generation of hardware and software. As part of this process the SNES cartridge port was dropped and the space between the names was removed.

So Ken "Theif" Kutaragi sold Nintendo the Sony SPC-700 processor then went on to work for Sony.

If theres one "Corporation" who DOES NOT DESERVE to be in this buiseness............ it's Sony.

The sad thing is that sony fans are mostly not even aware that sony looked down upon their favourite hobby prior to Ken Kutaragi approaching them with the Hardware and Software ideas that he stole from Nintendo.

Read between the lines Sony fans....................... "This was also to be the format used in SNES-CD discs, giving a large degree of control to Sony despite Nintendo's leading position in the video gaming market"

Your fave brand is a PHONY........... Bottom line________________________



mike_intellivision said:
I wonder if the comment was made for Japanese stock market investors.
I can think of no other reason to make those comments.

After all, while there might have been research and forethought that went into the DS and the Wii, almost every analyst thought the PSP and PS3 would blow those consoles away.

So for Nintendo to outsell Sony's hardware -- and sell at a profit (no financial risk) -- knocking Nintendo just sounds like sour grapes.

Mike from Morgantown

PS -- It is not good for the world for Sony Playstation to win. I would prefer Mattel Intellivision.

I know! It is so funny to go back and read articles amd posts from years ago before the Wii came out about how much it would fail.

Anyways I like Sony and all but I have no idea what is on their minds.