Wow, all 20 of my post summed up into one sentance...I fail.

Then we start arguing over Microsoft vs Sony/Nintendo exclusives and shit just gets out of hand... PCs are not consoles... they are not a "Gaming Platform" and most certainly can't play games at the same level that current HD consoles can.  And this also plays out that Microsoft actually cares about the PC market enough to push games that are getting released on PC where as Sony can give a rats ass about PC gamers... and you have this big huge mess that everyone is arguing about, but no one who is important really gives a shit about.  If you are in a discussion about PS3 and Xbox 360 games where does the PC come in on that?  And where does the line get drawn... I mean I can feasibly tell you that Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory was exclusive to the Xbox and PC because the PS2 and GC version were so gimped that it was insane to even play them.

The point is that there are to many facets of this argument... you're all wrong and you're all right, but you're all idiots to... things should be viewed as discussion based and retarded fanboy statements shouldn't detract from truth

That's not striclty true.  While not the majority, a fair few people, particularly in Europe and other countries outside US, still view PC as the main platform for titles like L4D, Mass Effect, etc.  I'm in that camp.  The fact that most 360 title's I'd be interested in are on PC prevents me buying a 360 - that's competition, as I really am chosing to invest in PC platform/versions vs 360.

The unknown, and I'm sure it's a minority to be sure, is what percentage that is.  But I'd note that the 360 growth aligns quite well with countries where there has been the biggest shift from PC to console for online FPS/TPS titles.  US, then UK, etc.  Therefore, in many places, particularly in Eruope, the PC does remain competitive with 360 for the hearts and minds of those gamers.

Pretty much everyone I know on Steam, for example, remain focused on PC vs 360 and see the 360 as a competitive platform to consider.

I do accept the term 'console exclusive' as I do see a big chasm between console / PC orientation for gaming.  But interestingly (well, for me anyway), the term really applies to PC/360 titles, and with Xbox initially seen by many (myself included I have to confess) as a poor man's PC, and the PC still remaining strong for many FPS, RTS and Strategy titles, I don't automatically see 360/PC as a positive for MS.  I see it more as a negative overall, with PC competiting for potential 360 owners and slowing it's adoption outside US.

I'd note MS have clearly become wary about their big titles being on PC, too, keeping Gears 2 off PC this time around, as well as Halo 3.  I suspect if they could they'd keep Mass Effect off PC, too at this point.  I remember when Gears hit PC many 360 fans complained bitterly on the forums that the title was supposed to be 360 exclusive (I guess they were the 360 fans that prefer to stick to dictionary definitions).

This tells me MS know all too well they want to keep titles off PC to try and encourage more and more PC gamers (or potential PC gamers) away from PC to 360, particularly in Europe, which again reinforces the fact there is a definate element of competition there.  It seems to me that, where MS have the influence, they are keeping key titles away from PC.  Clearly they can't stop Activision and IW supporting PC, for example, or Valve with L4D2, or EA with Mass Effect.  But I bet they'd like too.

That's why, really the whole area is rather grey instead of black and white.

You are actually on the right track.

f I were to start a conversation about Gears being a Multiplat game, then anybody who came into my thread screaming about how the game was an exclusive, would be laughed at because they had no business bringing the fact that the game is ALSO a "Console Exclusive" into that conversation, it doesn't fit the context.

However, If I start a thread about how Gears is a "Console Exclusive" and somebody come into that thread screaming that it isn't an exclusive because it's a "multiplat" While technically they are right, The term Multiplat does not fit into the context of the origional conversation.

So, given the fact that the OP in most threads in the forum refer to games being a "Console Exclusive". And since this has never been defined in a thread that I know of, a great fanboy war is born, with the 360 fanboys screaming that their game is an exclusive, and the PS3 fanboys screaming it's not cuz it's a multiplat. Then the PC guys chime in trying to bolster their platform. The OP of This thread is obviously using past experiances to take the stance that the term "Console Exclusive" is interchangeable with the term "multiplat" It is not. A game can be a Console exclusive and a Multiplat game at the same time. It just depends on the context of the OP.

I beg to differ, it would seem that Microsoft is happy with this model?  If you want to use the PC as a gaming platform, instead of the 360....M$ is fine with it in general!  Xbox 360 proggramming is closely aligned to PC programming, and I suspect it's going to be even closer when the next console comes out, making it a no brainer for developers to port a games between the 2 platforms.  Of course M$ is going to try and save a few titles for the 360, but as a general rule, I suspect they are satisfied with PC/360.  Using Halo 3 and Gears series aren't good example, because look at the profit dynamics...there are so many shooters for PC that if you want to play Halo...get an Xbox.  I think we will see a Fable 2.5 released for the PC sometime in the future... 

BTW...CCP joins the ranks of developers jumping onto console development, and this segway provides a perfect opportunity to plug the funny HTFU video, once again:

MAFFKA, Just stop, really you are trying too hard.

Here is the problem, you are right for the most part, but so am I, why you cannot seem to grasp this, is beyond me, at least I am secure enough about my position to tell you, you are right. And until you admit I am right, and admit that Yes, a Console is a platform. BUT The fact that you can have a Console exclusive (most widely used on the forum) and a Multiplatform game, and that both terms have differant meanings, Lastly, that a Console Exclusive CAN BE a Multiplatform game, you really should not be posting here because you are just insulting me, you, and everybody reading this thread.

Here's some lovable contradictions and self ownage :D. Also, this post contains an admition to the fact that CONSOLE/PC is Multiplatform. Enjoy.

This one is my favourite. Nofingershaha said "Most" - I responded, and Ironman re-enters and said he used "Most" to cover his ass? Doubble accounts anyone? :D Also - by your posted definition, PC is a console if all it takes is a game and a TV connection. A computer can be so many things, dosent have to be a PC. Its a general definition to machinery that computes. And the definition says a computer process information.. and so does a console, because its a computer aswell. Just not a PC. So PC = Console = 360/PC being two consoles or computers (by definition submitted by yourself via Webster) with the same software, i.e multiplatform.

It IS a gaming system!

It is NOT a gaming console!

Software being the reason why its exclusive proves the point that something released on NXE and Any windows platform, is multiplatform.

Hardware is irrelevant you say. So why does it matter if a PC is a console or not? Software used on two different platforms, i.e multiplatform. And you said it yourself, if the OP said "console + pc games are multiplat, I would have to agree with him", i.e 360/PC is multiplatform.

So "had the OP said console + PC games are multiplat, I would have to agree" - is not the same as "we've already established it in this thread. PC/360 is multiplatform" ? Say what?

"It is a MS exclusive if you believe the PC is a console... Now as for the PC, it is NOT a console" :D Hahaha okay. Arguing that something is "MS Software Platform exclusive", if you believe that the PC is a console. And the next sentance, its Not a console :D

You're webster input said "an electric device for playing video games, requiring a connection to a television". It dosen't say "specialized to do one task". And Television is an outdated expression since they started to release LCD TVs. And what about every teenage boy who has his console connected to the LCD screen in his room? Does those fail to be consoles? So basicly the Webster definition of what a console is, it's a electric device for playing video games. Period.

And finally the win of all wins. Im right and console exclusives can be multiplatform games. But requires Console Exclusive to be defined as what others would call plain Exclusive. 

And finally;

@ ironman - its funny how you ignore to answer my post where you on a regular basis imply that i have MS arch enemies and that i hate MS. And constantly claim im wrong without saying how so. Convenient.

Well this is it then. I guess we'll part ways. It was fun while it lasted. Befriend me on internet if you want.

I have to differ, but only mildly. 

They sure don't see it as the competition like Sony, of course.  But they clearly would prefer people off the PC for gaming and onto the 360.

Their model, so far as I can see, is PC for extensive media storage, internet access, work, etc. with 360 for entertainment, renting moveis, streaming media from PC or storing it directly on 360, etc.  Obviously they are finally starting to position Zune for portable entertainment and communication.

I'm not saying they see it as some huge competitor - in a sense they can't because PC is important to them.  But they clearly are pushing to restrict titles to 360 and encourage PC orientated developers to go PC/360 - and unless they are idiots they will be looking to then transition them more and more to the console platform.

I believe they find PC to open now for their tastes as well, as it would be impossible I think to introduce fees for Live, DLC, etc. on PC now.

My main point though, is really that, in Europe particularly, there remain a lot of people chosing PC vs 360 as a platform, and that you can't see the two as completely divorced in all territories.

Iron man is like a blind religious preacher, You keep convincing yourself that “this is the definitive way, because everyone else thinks this, therefore i am right” and using inclusive reasoning  to say “we agreed that this is this and that is that” when in reality case no one has agreed to anything you say.

You keep spinning the rules and forcing your own opining into people’s face like it’s a fact, and when you struggle to admit defeat you pin the blame on others by asserting that they have “miss your point” when actually they not only hit your point but smash it through that hard concrete   head of yours.

Your argument is that since PC’s are irrelevant to the ”Majority” of gamers(Maby in your narrow minded world), It gives you the right to rebage “console exclusive”  to “exclusive”, which is not the case.  You can’t single out a whole community of gamers just because your ego is harder than your head. You dug yourself into a deep hole and try to justify it by neutral reasoning by saying “in a way we are all right” When in FACT this is not the case, You are wrong and obviously deluded.

To the guy who said MS push the PC gaming industry i laugh at you, obviously you have never heard of VALVE and STEAM. Also GFWL (games for windows live) is a jk, it’s just a poor excuse from MS to dip their dirty hands into PC gaming.