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ironman on 03 October 2009
dsister44 said:
So LBP and Gran Turismo are no longer exclusives?

not according to MAFKKA's logic.



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MAFKKA on 03 October 2009
ironman said:
MAFKKA said:
ironman said:
MAFKKA said:
@ ironman - there's just too many exceptions, maybes, depending on this and that etc.. for your logic to be successful. It dosent add up. Exlusive is and have always been defined as Single or Only. And not divided or shared with others; ex. "they have exclusive use of the machine"; "sole rights of publication"

There's really no need to try and bend the definition just so it'll work with what you're trying to achieve.

No, there really are not many exceptions, very few if any games that are shared by the PC and the 360 are sactioned for use outside of an MS product. thus it is an MS exclusive. As for your deifinition of "exclusive" you are correct. An MS "exclusive" game is not divided amungst non MS OS or gaming machines. It would seem that you forget MS is a singular company and as such, fits the definition of exclusive perfectly.

@dobby, Yes, it is, if it is a port from the 360, in most cases, it will only work on a computor with a MS operating system, and it is officially branded by MS.

A) Even you writes "An MS "exclusive" game" - so deep down you know its not an exclusive, or there wouldn't be any need for the ".
B) Even if there was such a thing as a MS exclusive like you say, how dose that correlate with your statement  "not devided amongst non MS OS or gaming machines" when there are PS3/PC games out there?
C) "not many exceptions" is in other words "few exceptions" - which can not be apart of an Absolute word like Exclusive.

 

"Another definition:
Cross-platform  (Multi platform)
Cross platform is a term which can refer to computer programs, operating systems, computer languages, programming languages, or other computer software and their implementations which can be made to work on multiple computer platforms.

Notice that the above text says "made to work on multiple computer platforms" - so you can not argue that is exclusive because PC isn't a true gaming platform. The Game is "made to work on multiple computer platforms".. i.e the PC. And if it works on multiple computer platforms, it's defined as what people? Multi platform! That's right."

Like i said before.

How can there be such a thing as MS Exclusive when the opposite of Exclusive in this case is Multiplatform? What does a hardware/software company have to do with platforms? It is called multiplatform, not multi-developer/producer/company. A game is developed to work as a cross platform software. So that multiple platforms can compute the information. A console is one computer platform, and the PC is another. I.e the software works on multiple platforms ~ Multiplatform software.

Well thank you for telling me what I meant with the quotations, it's nice to know you can read minds...In the real world, the quotations were for the benefit of people who do not believe such games are exclusives, even though it is quite clear that they are. Now, as for your definition, it is pointless, we are talking exclusives, NOT multiplat, even still, Platform could easily refer to the entire MS platform (MS operating systems, both the NXE dashboard and the Windows OS)

Multiplatform is the opposite of exclusive, so to define exclusive we have to define what Multiplatform is, so that if a game falls under multiplatform, it can hardly be exclusive. And in the process of defining what multiplatform is, we can not make up words like MS Platform, since that dosen't apply with the definition of the basic platform;

"The [consumer electronics/electronic systems] used to play video games are known as platforms; examples of these are personal computers and video game consoles."

..or

"The term "platform" refers to the specific combination of electronic or computer hardware which, in conjunction with low-level software, allows a video game to operate. The term "system" is also commonly used."

So once again, stop making up words that suit your argument.



MAFKKA on 03 October 2009
ironman said:
dsister44 said:
So LBP and Gran Turismo are no longer exclusives?

not according to MAFKKA's logic.

So am i right or wrong?

 



shio on 03 October 2009
ironman said:
MAFKKA said:
ironman said:
Put it this way, if the game is a 360 game, then it is an exclusive because it is exclusive to MS consoles (MS windows ring a bell?) Just like a PS3 exclusive that also comes out of the PSP is still and exclusive to Sony, and a Nintendo game that comes out for the Wii and the DS is a Nintendo exclusive. It's simple really, I don't know how you people don't get that.

Well...

So 360/PC is exclusive. But PS3/PC is what? Multiplatform?

And also, the opposite of Exclusive is Multiplatform, right!? So why would a combo HW/SW developer make any difference to whether or not a game is exclusive or not? Its not called multideveloper, its called multiplatform. A Platform is defined, in this case, as a computing system, where the console is one computing system, and the PC is another. I.e Multiple systems (Multiple platforms).. and the word Multiplatform is born.

Yes, Once again The PC is a different animal because you cannot play most games without having an MS OS on it, Plus the PC game often is sanctioned by MS.

Microsoft has nothing to do with PC games, and if they tried to pull some weird stunt you can be sure as hell the PC game devs would eat MS with lawsuits. The only way that MS can control anything is through GFW, and we all know how crap and unsupported GFW is.



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AlJensen on 03 October 2009

Damn we are getting no where fast, come to think of it, I have never seen a internet argument actually end with one person admitting defeat to the other person, usually the person that is wrong leaves and never comes back or makes a new account



 

 

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Chairman-Mao on 03 October 2009

I disagree so strongly there isn't even a word for it. Yeah everyone has a PC, not everyone uses it for gaming. In fact a small percentage actually plays games. And of course I mean games like Half life, not minesweeper or solitaire.

I still consider a game thats only on one console and PC exclusive.



MAFKKA on 03 October 2009

Synonyms of Exclusive;
Absolute, Sole, Whole, Full, Unique, Entire, Only, Single, Undivided.

"Did you steal my wallet?" - "Absolutly not"
"Are you the sole owner of this Dalí painting?" - "Yes"
"Are you the only one with the whole Beatles record collection" - "Yes i am"
"Is this bottle full?" - "Yes"
"Is this a unique case, have you seen anything like it before?" - "No"
"Are you sure this is the entire sum of cash" - "Yes"
"Is there a single shread of evidence that he did it?" - "No"

The word Exclusive is and absolute word. If asked any of those questions, how can there be an exception? It just dosen't ad up. You can't redefine "Absolutly Not!". You can't go back and say, "when i said absolutly not, you should've understod that i ment maybe".

And since we've already defined platform as a hardware that computes software. Your logic can not correlate. There can't be an absolute software on multiple platforms that still remains undivided. The english language is proving you wrong.



ironman on 03 October 2009
MAFKKA said:
ironman said:
dsister44 said:
So LBP and Gran Turismo are no longer exclusives?

not according to MAFKKA's logic.

So am i right or wrong?

 

You are wrong. If one were to use your flawed logic, then dsister would be correct. In which case, very few games would actually be exclusive.

You can argue that a game that is exclusive to 360 and PC is a MS exclusive, that is the point I am trying to make here. I really don't know how I can spell it out any clearer than that.

 

@Shio, how nice of you to show up...but what I was saying is refering to games that are also made for the 360, Since it can only be run on a Windows platform, It is a MS exclusive.



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MAFKKA on 03 October 2009
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I disagree so strongly there isn't even a word for it. Yeah everyone has a PC, not everyone uses it for gaming. In fact a small percentage actually plays games. And of course I mean games like Half life, not minesweeper or solitaire.

I still consider a game thats only on one console and PC exclusive.


We've already covered that part, you need to go back and re-read the thread. But for a quick reply.

Just because YOU, as an individual, or the majority, chose to not play games on a platform, dosent make it exclusive to the one you play it on

. Platform is by definition;

  • "The [consumer electronics/electronic systems] used to play video games are known as platforms; examples of these are personal computers and video game consoles."
  • "The term "platform" refers to the specific combination of electronic or computer hardware which, in conjunction with low-level software, allows a video game to operate. The term "system" is also commonly used."

So by definition the PC is a platform, aswell as a console.. among other devices. So as established, if a software can be played on multiple platforms, the word for it would be what?



dsister44 on 03 October 2009

And In a few more months Sony will lose the God of War games as exclusives. As well as SotC and that other game are rumored to be coming to PS3. So the PS2 is losing exclusives left and right.