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twesterm said:

I just hate Ken.  I've hated him since playing the game on the SNES so I take any chance to hate on him I can.

@WoW-- I just like the speed of the game, not too fast, not too slow.

How could you hate someone with theme music this good:

I guess if it's what you like... but I swear the game just doesn't feel furious enough.



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I was the same way when I first started playing SFIV, then I played as Balrog and never looked back.



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twesterm said:
ChichiriMuyo said:
Umm, dude, Ken is very low third tier and very midling. The reason you can't win as El Fuerte is because you're not very good with him. A better player would probably beat you day in and day out with El Fuerte no matter who you played with. Ken is easy. You win with Ken because you don't have to try as hard. Simple as that.

Oh please, I forgot that anyone that isn't perfect with every fighter automatically sucks at the game.

Listen, I get that I'm not great at the game but I was good enough to breeze through the hardest difficulty and get through a lot of the training with El Fuerte.  Yeah, I didn't get though all of it but I'm had a good enough grasp on the game to be better than not very good.

And I only picked Ken because he was one of the Ryu clones and only three letters and couldn't fit more than that in the thread title.  I realize I could have just put Ryu, but I didn't want to because I just hate Ken.  I've hated him since playing the game on the SNES so I take any chance to hate on him I can.

I don't get why people are so thick headed that they can't accept that a game is incredibly unbalanced even when Capcom themselves say it's unbalanced and if someone isn't perfect at it, they must suck.

@WoW-- I just like the speed of the game, not too fast, not too slow.

I didn't say you're not very good at SF4, I said you're not very good with El Fuerte.  Even with the imbalance in the roster play skill (especially with a given character) is still far, far more important.  Tiers really only matter if you're playing someone on the same skill level as you and even then their effect is quite minor.  Top players win with "bad" characters all the time simply because they learn to play the with great skill and tier-whores don't learn to play against them that well. And don't forget, when Capcom said the game was imbalanced they also said SETH was too powerful, a guy who is as middling as Ken, so they don't even know what the hell they're talking about.  They just listen to complainers too much.

Also, Rufus and Zangief are good (and Balrog, who was already mentioned), while Blanka, Chun-li, and Bison are all decent.  Just because the one guy you want to play isn't competitive doesn't mean the game is absolutely terrible.



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twesterm said:
IxisNaugus said:

I shall fix all of your troubles and answer all of your problems regarding SFIV with just one name my good man twesterm: Sagat.

If you're ever having problems, if you're ever in a pickle, just remember that name... Sagat.

Yeah, but that goes back to my original problem-- I don't like playing as Sagat.  He isn't fun for me.

And I'm not saying I hate every character, I'm just saying it sucks that there's a small group of characters that are the good characters and you either have to play as one of those characters or not win.  Sure, I can pick one of the characters I like but the problem is in 20 matches, 18-19 of those will be against the same small set of characters that will almost always beat me because those characters are better and then 1-2 of those will actually be another character and those will be fun.

Thinking back to one of the other fighting games I really got into, Tekken Tag, there were tiers of characters but it was still more or less balanced.  Sure, I would cheese people with Hwaorong when I felt like being a dick, but then I would also always own everyone with Kunimitsu even though she was one of the worst characters.  All the characters weren't equal, but they were close enough so you could actually have some sort of variety.

SFIV is pretty balanced, a good portion of the cast is pretty much viable and the characters that dominate don't really have many 7-3 or 8-2 match ups. I honestly think you probably just don't like the game and some of the mechanics, and the character variation online probably isn't going to change much with SSFIV since SFIV players will probably stick with their mains and newcomers love Ken and Ryu. You'll likely see some Juri, but I'm guessing players will drop her if she's hard to play like Viper or keep her and make her hated on pretty bad if she's good and easy to play. I played the SFIV for about a month and a half and realized I didn't like it - there's nothing wrong with that. If none of the new characters interest you I think it would probably be a better idea just not to get the game. The only reason I have any interest in this is because Deejay more or less is my favorite character in one of my favorite fighters, but I'm guessing after a few months I'll go back and play the new Blazblue game.

Just spend the money you would on this on that Terra thing you wanted. You'll probably be happier about that.



twesterm said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
I play with other fighters just fine. It just depends on your aptitute. Street Fighter 4 is actually a rehash of the easiest series for Street Fighter. I would understand you if you were talking about Street Fighter Alpha or Third Strike. SF4 is a rehash of SF2. There is nothing complicated about it because it was created for casuals and gamers alike. If you don't get it......well....you have a long way to go.

I get it just fine, you're really telling me that if I'm playing a bottom tier fighter against a top tier fighter that I have a good chance? 

You're crazy if you think that SFIV is actually balanced.  Just do a quick Street Fighter IV tier list search in Google and you'll see there are actual tiers.  A balanced shouldn't really have that.


As I said, its all about aptitude (and practice). I've been playing Street Fighter and KOF since I was very young, so I guess thats why I am just at home with the controls. The major difference this time around is moves take finess instead of attacking the controller like I used to with other games. The game might be unbalanced to you, but you must realize that each character is unique and can be controlled in deadly ways if you know how to do it. My favorite characters are Ken, Vega, Crimson Viper and Abel. I use others, but they just aren't as fun for me as I feel at home with those characters. El fuerte is definitely about finess because he has a bunch of lucha moves which have to connect, so really with him focus on timing. Zangief....is hella easy to use (n cheap) because all you have to do is stay close use powermoves and grabs, Dhalsim is a ranged fighter so stay away and if enemies get close use the Yoga flame. Get what I am saying? The game is balanced, its just that the characters are  unique.