Input device only matters if they are intermingled.  Considering everyone playing an FPS on pc or console has the same controller it makes no fucking difference as to the speed of the game.  The games are designed with the input devices in mind.

ZOMG Sonic is SOOO much faster than Mario.  Mario is for pussies.  LULZ.

Very true. Mario you kinda explore and all that. In Sonic you really gotta have some skill to blaze through those levels, at least the originala ones.

lol, well, I had to pay for DLC in Fallout 3, sure as shit did. In fact, the PC is moving in that direction with Games for Windows, and the failure of the "DRM experiment" meaning more content you have to buy postlaunch.

As far as "surpassed" there ya go again.

How bout I rent this game on console. Pennies a day.

Once again, truth, if the PC version of this game was 60 bucks, it would be a total ripoff, sell like shit, and become one of the most pirated games in history, due to "retaliation."

We need to take away your ability to retaliate for percieved injustice. THEN we'll be getting somewhere.

Anyway, if I can't lend, trade, rent, borrow, or sell a game, then I don't care how unnoticably better it looks, free is always better.

Funny story, using Ebay, I actually played L4D1 for 4 months, sold it back, and made a profit. Funny thing? It's legal, and encouraged by the industry if not the publisher.

So yes, basically, L4D came free, with a 10 dollar bill, on the Xbox 360, or I can pay 40 bucks for the PC version, and can't even let my cousin borrow it after I've beaten it?

This argument holds even more true for single player games.

That said, I don't even want this game. I'm going to play some AAA exclusive...on a console. Makes me remember the time you told me Dragon Age couldn't be done on a console, because of it being in a certain genre, that didn't make it possible. Ah, memories.

I might pick it up to resell in a couple months though, make a quick buck, and give it a once through. It's basically L4D dlc though, right?

Sell it on Ebay. Ah, Ebay, it's ironic that such a PC based device is the direct source of console pricing superiority.

We've discussed this before.

Used games = piracy.

If you wanna go that way, I can get my games for free, saving far more money.

Completely insulting bullshit, imo.

A. Piracy is illegal, used game trading isn't.

B. With rentals, publishers are paid for rights, like with rental movies.

C. Selling a phsical item you bought isn't theft.

D. Downloading a piece of illegal software you don't own, is.

E. Gaming companies form and do business with game trading companies, encouraging the trading. If they didn't want it, they could simply not support Gamestop with their business.

F. The game industry has taken vast incredible steps to try and reduce piracy on all consoles.

G. You can pirate games on a console too. It does not involve buying used games.

H. With ANY used game, the game manufacturer got paid for that copy of the game. Full price. The outlet paid that price when they purchased it from the publisher.

I. Even Jaffe doesn't want to stop game selling and trading, he just thinks publisher should get a cut of GAMESTOPs profits.

JJJ!!! Money changes hands when selling. It promotes the industry and stimulates interest in the game, and the gaming economy. NO MONEY changes hands with piracy. It's out and out stealing. You pay for NOTHING.

Just because in your mind, you want to justify piracy, or try to marginalize the pro console arguments, doesn't make renting a game piracy.

I'm not sure if we've "discussed" it before, but I do remember a handful of PC fans trying to claim this and then getting flamed to hell and back by every self respecting anti-piracy member of this forum.

It's an ignorant argument, and it amounts to calling anyone whose ever traded in a game, a pirate, and putting us on the same level as pirates, and it's bullshit, insulting, and SHOULD constitute a BAN.

L4D2 is 50% better on 360 than PC.

"F. The game industry has taken vast incredible steps to try and reduce piracy on all consoles."

If game devs are to be believed, they'll be acting against used sales via DD in the near future too. And besides, they're retreating on the DRM issue.

"JJJ!!! Money changes hands when selling. It promotes the industry and stimulates interest in the game, and the gaming economy. NO MONEY changes hands with piracy. It's out and out stealing. You pay for NOTHING."

- I pay for my internet connection
- I pay for my bandwidth
- I pay for a RapidShare account

"It's an ignorant argument, and it amounts to calling anyone whose ever traded in a game, a pirate, and putting us on the same level as pirates, and it's bullshit, insulting, "

Not really. Both cause the industry to lose the same amount of money.

"and SHOULD constitute a BAN."

"I don't agree with you so you can't come here!" Sounds like a great way to run a forum.

Enjoy paying more for the game, paying to play it online, paying for the DLC, and ultimately end up with a graphically-inferor game, with no positives whatsoever. :)

..and 75% more fun on the PC. While bringing 100% more free content aswell.