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twesterm said:
Procrastinato said:

I have trouble understanding the "I have so many UMDs, I can't afford to upgrade!" complaint.

If you hold onto/collect UMDs, you're better off selling them *right now* on eBay, and using the money to purchase digital copies which you can then burn onto DVD/BD and save for all eternity, without risk of the disc getting scratched, or your UMD drive busting -- the two most probable causes of eventual "I can't play that game anymore".

In 20 years, when all PSPs only run while plugged in (because no batteries will be available, and the existing ones will all be dead), the chances of you being able to find/use a M2 memory stick, vs a Memory stick Duo are way in favor of the M2, so pretty much the PSP Go will be the only option for collectors. Also, the UMD drives, when broken, will be *unrepairable* in that time, unless you can fabricate parts yourself. It will be a dead format, for over a decade.

If you collect games, and that's your reason for having a UMD horde, you should definately sell your UMDs and upgrade. You're throwing your collection away if you don't, really. I sincerely doubt there will ever be another console that reads UMD discs. There may be plenty more that play digital PSP games that were once on UMD, however.

If you don't collect UMDs, because you like to play them, and turn them over as you complete them -- *that* is a good reason, for some folks, to not purchase a PSP Go, and stick with a PSP-3000 instead. Completely the opposite of what most people are stating ("I have so many UMDs, I cannot upgrade!").

Like I said... the logic presented here... isn't logical.  Is it just some fear of digital media, manifesting itself as this kind of illogical complaint?  I can see being upset that UMD is going away... just like some folks are upset that HD-DVD is out of the picture.  Lots of HD-DVD movies out there... and when the players are dead, they're useless.  That fear is totally valid... but complaining about the new format, and using that fear as some sort of reasoning... isn't really.  ...its just angry venting.

So how much do PSPGo games cost?  I assumed it was going to be less because it's digital but I can't actually find their prices.  When I got to the playstation store page, it wants me to install something in order to actually see the price and I just don't want to do that.

So, the only thing I can really find is this which says they will be as much as retail games.

If that's the case, I'd love to see the auctions where you sell your used games for as much as a new retail game.

Also, you make it sound like owning things like original NES cartridges is a waste of time.  You obviously aren't any kind of retro gamer but give it 10 years and you'll love playing with those old BluRay discs and UMD's (if you still have any).

-edit-

And to answer your question about the DS-- it depends.

I have no interest what-so-ever in the DSi because it can't play my GBA games but that's because it's marketed as a DS.  If they made a DS2, I wouldn't care if it couldn't play my DS games because it's not a DS, it's a DS2.  I would obvious prefer it to be backwards compatible, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker if not.

 

Yeah new releases, and even some older games are full price. Older games are similar to use game prices, but not all older games are up yet. Also older games that are good are a bit more expensive.



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twesterm said:

So how much do PSPGo games cost?  I assumed it was going to be less because it's digital but I can't actually find their prices.  When I got to the playstation store page, it wants me to install something in order to actually see the price and I just don't want to do that.

So, the only thing I can really find is this which says they will be as much as retail games.

If that's the case, I'd love to see the auctions where you sell your used games for as much as a new retail game or more actually since you said you made money on rebuying your collection.

Also, you make it sound like owning things like original NES cartridges is a waste of time.  You obviously aren't any kind of retro gamer but give it 10 years and you'll love playing with those old BluRay discs and UMD's (if you still have any).

-edit-

And to answer your question about the DS-- it depends.

I have no interest what-so-ever in the DSi because it can't play my GBA games but that's because it's marketed as a DS.  If they made a DS2, I wouldn't care if it couldn't play my DS games because it's not a DS, it's a DS2.  I would obvious prefer it to be backwards compatible, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker if not.

Well, I guess I'm assuming that most people with game collections for their handheld are collecting games they want to replay in the future.  Replayable games tend to fetch a pretty high price on eBay, after they are out-of-print -- higher even than used retailers sell them at, typically, because the used retailers sell you the disc only, often repackaged and dinged up, and if you offer the complete manual+case+UMD in good condition on eBay, you get more (presumably from someone interested in collecting the title).

I'd show you the auctions, but I'm not going to hand out my eBay account id on an internet forum... I apologize that I can't "prove" it to you in this manner.  I have an alternative for you, however.. a better one, actually.  Just visit eBay, start the process of "selling" an item, and you can find the average sale price very easily, if you're interested.  I think you'll be surprised.

Until publishers offer a trade-in program for UMDs-to-digital, the eBay solution is actually a pretty decent one, IMO, if you currently own a UMD PSP and want to upgrade to a Go.



 

nightsurge said:
KillerMan said:

Although financially Go can't flop because Sony makes so much money per system. (probably cheaper to manufacture than 3000). Even if they sell under million Go's this year they already make some nice profit (over 70$ per system?)

I thought the high overhead of profit was reserved for the retailers, though.  I think the only way this benefits Sony is by eliminating used sales and controlling price points for every Go game sold.

Not at all. Retailers make next to nothing on hardware. From my experience in retail, the store made less than $10 on all hardware.



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eBay is kind of a hassle for low priced items. I usually avoid it for cheap stuff because it's not worth the effort.



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Procrastinato said:

 

I'd show you the auctions, but I'm not going to hand out my eBay account id on an internet forum... I apologize that I can't "prove" it to you in this manner.  I have an alternative for you, however.. a better one, actually.  Just visit eBay, start the process of "selling" an item, and you can find the average sale price very easily, if you're interested.  I think you'll be surprised.

Until publishers offer a trade-in program for UMDs-to-digital, the eBay solution is actually a pretty decent one, IMO, if you currently own a UMD PSP and want to upgrade to a Go.

Fine, show me an auction where a used copy of a PSP game goes for retail price or more.  It doesn't have to be more, I just want to see something even close. 

I find it absolutely absurd that you think it's alight to just completely rebuy your collection and think people can get a bargain somehow by using eBay.



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twesterm said:
Procrastinato said:
 

 

I'd show you the auctions, but I'm not going to hand out my eBay account id on an internet forum... I apologize that I can't "prove" it to you in this manner.  I have an alternative for you, however.. a better one, actually.  Just visit eBay, start the process of "selling" an item, and you can find the average sale price very easily, if you're interested.  I think you'll be surprised.

Until publishers offer a trade-in program for UMDs-to-digital, the eBay solution is actually a pretty decent one, IMO, if you currently own a UMD PSP and want to upgrade to a Go.

Fine, show me an auction where a used copy of a PSP game goes for retail price or more.  It doesn't have to be more, I just want to see something even close. 

I find it absolutely absurd that you think it's alight to just completely rebuy your collection and think people can get a bargain somehow by using eBay.

Wow you're stubborn.

Go to eBay, like I said, pick "Sell an item" from your account drop menu.  Then type some game titles into the "What's it Worth" box.  Note that RPGs, like "Brave Story PSP" ($17.19 -- a bit more than $2 above PSN price), "Disgaea PSP"($29.23 -- near $15 more than PSN price), etc. tend to sell for, on average, at least what they cost in the PSN store.  And, indeed, I sold my Brave Story for 19.99, and my Disgaea for $24.99 -- I didn't even get to the average on the latter.  I charged $2.99 shipping, to boot (it actually costs me like $3.50 to ship, including the packaging though).

I'm not trying to make you mad, twesterm.  I just wanted to point out something that is a perfectly viable option... at least in my book.



 

Procrastinato said:

Let me pose this question:

If the next Nintendo handheld played digital DS games for backwards compatibility, but did not have a cart slot... would you buy it?

Do you guys realize that DSiWare is, effectively, the first step towards that?

The PSP Go has more quality titles readily available than any other handheld, as far as the average joe, who does not like to visit the local GameStop, and paw through the used DS pile, is concerned.  By November a huge portion of all PSP games ever made will be available in the store.

For a new consumer... that's a pretty sweet deal, I think.  I doubt the PSP Go will flop, for that reason alone.  People thought the iPhone was dumb and overpriced too.  Having all those titles available, and in your pocket thanks to the large internal storage capacity... is a pretty powerful thing.

If the next Nintendo handheld is a successro of DS, it would be a totally different scenario than PSP Go. (and I would buy it when it's at a reasonable price) PSP Go is market as the same gen hardware as PSP-3000 and that's why it's a problem it is not backward compatible.



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Procrastinato said:

Wow you're stubborn.

Go to eBay, like I said, pick "Sell an item" from your account drop menu.  Then type some game titles into the "What's it Worth" box.  Note that RPGs, like "Brave Story PSP" ($17.19 -- a bit more than $2 above PSN price), "Disgaea PSP"($29.23 -- near $15 more than PSN price), etc. tend to sell for, on average, at least what they cost in the PSN store.  And, indeed, I sold my Brave Story for 19.99, and my Disgaea for $24.99 -- I didn't even get to the average on the latter.  I charged $2.99 shipping, to boot (it actually costs me like $3.50 to ship, including the packaging though).

I'm not trying to make you mad, twesterm.  I just wanted to point out something that is a perfectly viable option... at least in my book.

The thing about using that average thing you're talking about is that it's not exactly accurate.  You say you got $25 for it on eBay except I can pick it up now on eBay for about $11 so in that case I'm going to lose $10.

I'm not really angry or trying to push you, I'm just saying eBaying all your old UMD games and then buying them again on the PSN isn't in any way at all a deal.



twesterm said:
Procrastinato said:
 

Wow you're stubborn.

Go to eBay, like I said, pick "Sell an item" from your account drop menu.  Then type some game titles into the "What's it Worth" box.  Note that RPGs, like "Brave Story PSP" ($17.19 -- a bit more than $2 above PSN price), "Disgaea PSP"($29.23 -- near $15 more than PSN price), etc. tend to sell for, on average, at least what they cost in the PSN store.  And, indeed, I sold my Brave Story for 19.99, and my Disgaea for $24.99 -- I didn't even get to the average on the latter.  I charged $2.99 shipping, to boot (it actually costs me like $3.50 to ship, including the packaging though).

I'm not trying to make you mad, twesterm.  I just wanted to point out something that is a perfectly viable option... at least in my book.

The thing about using that average thing you're talking about is that it's not exactly accurate.  You say you got $25 for it on eBay except I can pick it up now on eBay for about $11 so in that case I'm going to lose $10.

I'm not really angry or trying to push you, I'm just saying eBaying all your old UMD games and then buying them again on the PSN isn't in any way at all a deal.

Well... admittedly the average is from the last 3 weeks, and prices may have dropped drastically since the PSN store update on Thursday.

I was brave enough to sell games beforehand, even taking some chances in some cases, on games I wasn't absolutely determined to keep.  I still think its a viable option -- it certainly has been for me.  I love not having to carry UMD games around with my new PSP.  Absolutely love it.  I should have done it eons ago with my PSP-2000, but it was always a tad too big to sit comfortably in my pocket anyway.



 

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