i miss these menu sounds.

I like this one better :D

GT graphics are insane cant wait!!!!

I prefer not to view the replay ones. because the camera is stationary you can see the 2d trees and the 2d barriers etc. I prefer when it's the gameplay videos as it's moving you dont notice it. Cars look wonderful.

Also from what I understand now all normal cars will feature paint scrapes on bumpers. But the racing cars like WRC and Nascar will feature dame system. Doors opening etc. So at least normal cars will have some visual.

You know something, you must have a really sharp eye. Anyway I didnt noticed the 2d trees, i notice the 60fps...When i drive (in real life or in a game) i look at the road mostly.

When you play forza3 do you actually stop the car and say "OMG look at this tree its 3d"?

Thats why I said I like the moving gameplay vids better. Thing is I'm not playing it right now. If my mate was playing and I was watching you wouldn't really notice it unless he crashed to a hault or it was replay cameras. The illusion is very impressive when the cameras moving, the lighting helps a great deal to this. The illusion is lost in replay cameras though, because your no longer watching the racing line, but looking at the beauty. Cars are awesome, just the scenery in replay looks a shame.

Sometimes in gameplay you can notice like as he comes into the first corner, as he exits it look at the first set of trees. At the top of the trees you will see a sun line, where the tree has sun then shadow. Here it's blatant it's a 2d image albeit a very good 2d image. But if you notice behind the row of trees on the right and left as you go up that 2nd straight you have a second row of small bushes. These are of much lower quality 2d. If you didnt crash or stop on the straight you wont notice, but as he is driving slow in the ferrari video you can notice it. I guess this is what the media have spoken about. Imagine crashing and facing the wall. That low 2d bush image would make you go what the hell?

However, can those cars look any more REAL? Seriously they are majorly impressive. The colour change when the sun hits the paint is amazing.