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blunty51 said:

Zucas said:
Trust me, you couldn't hit a 90 mph fastball. I played baseball for 12 years (in high school started on my team and won the state championship that year) and baseball is definitely not a sport that is easy to pick up. I'm sure cricket has it's own difficulties as well. But you are performing a hasty generalization fallacy in your assessment of baseball. Considering that is illogical, I'm going to discard it as such.

Well I did clearly say that I am biased and I never claimed to give a whole hearted comparison. For the record, Bowlers in cricket send 90mph+ balls down on a regular basis. Those fews times I played baseball in the U.S, it looked very much like a what a 90mph ball would look, except a little closer. I never played baseball on the highest level, and neither did I with cricket. Therefore the comparisons on that level are a little closer to consistent.

Having played baseball for so long, it is not something that you just pick up and play. Especially when you get into more serious competition. There is a reason why in the MLB, having a batting average of .300 (3 hits out of 10 at bats) is good. You are going to get out more than not because it is so difficult to hit a round ball with a round faced bat. But don't take anything off of pitching. Being able to throw overhand at 90 MPH consistently for 100 pitches while mixing in curves, sliders, changeups, etc is a thing of finese and practice. Tie that all in with accuracy as the strike zone isn't something that is large.

Indeed! Which is why I stated that it's more a pitcher's game, and I never discredited that.

Then of course we haven't even gotten to fielding positions. I can almost guarantee how many would try to catch a groundball and instead get out of the way due to fear. Catching a flyball is maybe one of the easier things in baseball but still takes time and practice to be able to judge it. But of course being a catcher is something not many will ever pick up due to the difficulty of the position.

The fielding positions in cricket are a lot more technical than baseball. In baseball I understand you will manipulate your infield according to how many outs you have, the count, showing bunt etc. but the numbers are generally the same. In cricket, these numbers are changed vastly, heck you can even have someone right up in the face of a batsman. The outfield is very flexible as well. In baseball however you generally have three outfielders I believe?  There are over 20 fielding positions in cricket. Oh, and btw, baseball uses gloves, cricket uses BARE HANDS. There is a huge difference. So let's talk about being scared when a groundout comes your way.


It might be easy for someone on the outside to be able to call something easy but until you really play it competitively, you are just speaking out of your ass. Which is why I will not simply call Cricket and easy sport that a bunch of silly men play. I respect that when playing competitively it is a sport of technique and strength like most of the others. And it is because I say that, that I am completely logical and you aren't.

The comparisons you made in your post have shown that you don't know much about cricket, and since i never claimed to give both sides of the arguement in my OP, you have no right to call me illogical. I have a very comprehensive knowledge of both games. You however, don't seem to, unless you prove otherwise ;)

 

 

Well know I'm logical because I openly admitted that my knowledge of cricket was lacking.  You are illogical because you don't know much about baseball yet you continue to speak out of your ass about it.  That's the difference. 

I don't deal with illogical arguments which is why I'm not going to respond to the rest.  My point in this thread was to notate what was illogical and explain why others don't have to deal with how illogical it is.  Clearly starting an argument off by showing bias is never a way to make a good argument.  Actually you should have stopped there.  Or simply done as I had, given one side, and then admitted ignorance to ther other side.  That owuld have made you logical.  Instead you defied socratic wisdom, and were shown how illogical it came out to be.



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LOL, they call it 'Tea' but it's really a 'break'
And to be fair, Cricket is formly played internationally in Australia, England, West Indies, Sir Lanka, China, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, South Africa, UAE, Namibia, Ireland, U.S.A, New Zealand, Canada, Kenya, Bangladesh, Scotland & Netherlands.

Compare that to baseball.



blunty51 said:

The fielding positions in cricket are a lot more technical than baseball. In baseball I understand you will manipulate your infield according to how many outs you have, the count, showing bunt etc. but the numbers are generally the same. In cricket, these numbers are changed vastly, heck you can even have someone right up in the face of a batsman. The outfield is very flexible as well. In baseball however you generally have three outfielders I believe?  There are over 20 fielding positions in cricket. Oh, and btw, baseball uses gloves, cricket uses BARE HANDS. There is a huge difference. So let's talk about being scared when a groundout comes your way.

 

There is also a huge difference in the speed of a ball coming off a bat and the speed of a ball coming off a paddle.



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blunty51 said:
LOL, they call it 'Tea' but it's really a 'break'
And to be fair, Cricket is formly played internationally in Australia, England, West Indies, Sir Lanka, China, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, South Africa, UAE, Namibia, Ireland, U.S.A, New Zealand, Canada, Kenya, Bangladesh, Scotland & Netherlands.

Compare that to baseball.

Any place that hasn't had any former British control haha.  Nah I'm just joking with you. 

 

I've actually only watched a few formal cricket games.  Still don't quite understand it but I did enjoy watching it.  Of course I can watch any sport other than the WNBA.



Zucas said:

Well know I'm logical because I openly admitted that my knowledge of cricket was lacking.  You are illogical because you don't know much about baseball yet you continue to speak out of your ass about it.  That's the difference. 

I don't deal with illogical arguments which is why I'm not going to respond to the rest.  My point in this thread was to notate what was illogical and explain why others don't have to deal with how illogical it is.  Clearly starting an argument off by showing bias is never a way to make a good argument.  Actually you should have stopped there.  Or simply done as I had, given one side, and then admitted ignorance to ther other side.  That owuld have made you logical.  Instead you defied socratic wisdom, and were shown how illogical it came out to be.

First off, let's just be cool about it! I respect your views but I just think you misread something I was trying to get across

My OP said:

"let's dedicate this thread to points that contribute to each game's merits."

"Anyhow I could write forever about this, I'll leave the rest up to you."

Shouldn't that speak for itself? If you said your views without calling me illogical then that's fine because you were adding points to the discussion, which was the intent.

I know just about everything about baseball, please don't say I don't just because I didn't state everything in the OP (which was stated) :(



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outlawauron said:
blunty51 said:

The fielding positions in cricket are a lot more technical than baseball. In baseball I understand you will manipulate your infield according to how many outs you have, the count, showing bunt etc. but the numbers are generally the same. In cricket, these numbers are changed vastly, heck you can even have someone right up in the face of a batsman. The outfield is very flexible as well. In baseball however you generally have three outfielders I believe?  There are over 20 fielding positions in cricket. Oh, and btw, baseball uses gloves, cricket uses BARE HANDS. There is a huge difference. So let's talk about being scared when a groundout comes your way.

 

There is also a huge difference in the speed of a ball coming off a bat and the speed of a ball coming off a paddle.

Really? I thought it was kinda the same from my experience, but I know for sure in cricket that the ball flies off the bat much faster than it came to you at.



blunty51 said:
Zucas said:

Well know I'm logical because I openly admitted that my knowledge of cricket was lacking.  You are illogical because you don't know much about baseball yet you continue to speak out of your ass about it.  That's the difference. 

I don't deal with illogical arguments which is why I'm not going to respond to the rest.  My point in this thread was to notate what was illogical and explain why others don't have to deal with how illogical it is.  Clearly starting an argument off by showing bias is never a way to make a good argument.  Actually you should have stopped there.  Or simply done as I had, given one side, and then admitted ignorance to ther other side.  That owuld have made you logical.  Instead you defied socratic wisdom, and were shown how illogical it came out to be.

First off, let's just be cool about it! I respect your views but I just think you misread something I was trying to get across

My OP said:

"let's dedicate this thread to points that contribute to each game's merits."

"Anyhow I could write forever about this, I'll leave the rest up to you."

Shouldn't that speak for itself? If you said your views without calling me illogical then that's fine because you were adding points to the discussion, which was the intent.

I know just about everything about baseball, please don't say I don't just because I didn't state everything in the OP (which was stated) :(

"contribute to each game's merits"

Instead you spent the entire OP contributing to cricket's merits (which is reasonable) and the rest discrediting the other sports.  That's a logical contradiction.  Your sentence is thus self-defeating.

I'm sorry but I can't defy logic here and all of a sudden think that this thread was actually created for what you are trying to insinuate now.  I simply came in and followed the thread and gave the merits to the sport I knew about.  In no place did I ever decide to bash cricked or show how baseball ups it in any case. 

But I have, with logic to back me up, questioned your motives and knowledge of baseball due to the way you have presented yourself and the topic.  And considering you also did state you were bias I would say my questioning is not only confirmed but really begs the question of why you are even defending yourself on this.  You acknowledge early on you didn't seek to be logical because you were affirming your bias first. So that's a second logical contradiction

 

You should instead be thanking me for giving the merits of the other sport in question while not taking shots at the other which is what you originally asked for.  And you shouldn't contradict yourself (twice actually).  Either you came in here to give the merits of both or you didn't.  Either you came in here to be logical or you came in here to be bias.  Either way, it is quite obvious to see where my questioning of your character and the nature of this thread has arisen.  Now please show me that you simply worded things wrong and meant to put it another way.  Either way, doesn't matter to me.  I've presented myself correctly in this thread, pointed out the merits of the sport I know about and not tried to deny the other or talk about it ignorantly, and kept a firm but respectful composure.



blunty51 said:
outlawauron said:
blunty51 said:

The fielding positions in cricket are a lot more technical than baseball. In baseball I understand you will manipulate your infield according to how many outs you have, the count, showing bunt etc. but the numbers are generally the same. In cricket, these numbers are changed vastly, heck you can even have someone right up in the face of a batsman. The outfield is very flexible as well. In baseball however you generally have three outfielders I believe?  There are over 20 fielding positions in cricket. Oh, and btw, baseball uses gloves, cricket uses BARE HANDS. There is a huge difference. So let's talk about being scared when a groundout comes your way.

 

There is also a huge difference in the speed of a ball coming off a bat and the speed of a ball coming off a paddle.

Really? I thought it was kinda the same from my experience, but I know for sure in cricket that the ball flies off the bat much faster than it came to you at.

Which is true even moreso in baseball. I was looking around for weight of the ball used in cricket, but I couldn't find anything.



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blunty51 said:
outlawauron said:
blunty51 said:

The fielding positions in cricket are a lot more technical than baseball. In baseball I understand you will manipulate your infield according to how many outs you have, the count, showing bunt etc. but the numbers are generally the same. In cricket, these numbers are changed vastly, heck you can even have someone right up in the face of a batsman. The outfield is very flexible as well. In baseball however you generally have three outfielders I believe?  There are over 20 fielding positions in cricket. Oh, and btw, baseball uses gloves, cricket uses BARE HANDS. There is a huge difference. So let's talk about being scared when a groundout comes your way.

 

There is also a huge difference in the speed of a ball coming off a bat and the speed of a ball coming off a paddle.

Really? I thought it was kinda the same from my experience, but I know for sure in cricket that the ball flies off the bat much faster than it came to you at.

Well it only makes sense.  When the batter swings he is putting force into it.  Meaning it transfers to the ball on contact.  So now it has the force of the pitcher's throw and the force of the batter's swing on it.  Thus it goes off faster than it was thrown.



Zucas said:

"contribute to each game's merits"

Instead you spent the entire OP contributing to cricket's merits (which is reasonable) and the rest discrediting the other sports.  That's a logical contradiction.  Your sentence is thus self-defeating.

I'm sorry but I can't defy logic here and all of a sudden think that this thread was actually created for what you are trying to insinuate now.  I simply came in and followed the thread and gave the merits to the sport I knew about.  In no place did I ever decide to bash cricked or show how baseball ups it in any case. 

But I have, with logic to back me up, questioned your motives and knowledge of baseball due to the way you have presented yourself and the topic.  And considering you also did state you were bias I would say my questioning is not only confirmed but really begs the question of why you are even defending yourself on this.  You acknowledge early on you didn't seek to be logical because you were affirming your bias first. So that's a second logical contradiction

 

You should instead be thanking me for giving the merits of the other sport in question while not taking shots at the other which is what you originally asked for.  And you shouldn't contradict yourself (twice actually).  Either you came in here to give the merits of both or you didn't.  Either you came in here to be logical or you came in here to be bias.  Either way, it is quite obvious to see where my questioning of your character and the nature of this thread has arisen.  Now please show me that you simply worded things wrong and meant to put it another way.  Either way, doesn't matter to me.  I've presented myself correctly in this thread, pointed out the merits of the sport I know about and not tried to deny the other or talk about it ignorantly, and kept a firm but respectful composure.

I didn't say that *I* was going to state each games merit's, I said "let's". Which includes me, but I already stated a bias so I stuck on the cricket side, the rest is up to you all. I thought this was obvious, but clearly it is not, at least for someone like you. At no point you ever stated that you don't know anything about cricket. So essentially, you were doing the same as you thought I was doing.