I dunno, Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell seem to be on the level when you meet them - only Vrook acts like a royal asshat. But then again, their tone changes drastically when you meet all of them at Dantooine - whether it's because they believe they're right, or because Vrook lorded his asshattery over them or something else, I don't know.

True, they're nice and contrite when you talk to them one on one, but once they get it in their heads that they have the situation under control...

I've always wondered why they shifted so dramatically. I doubt it was just Vrook's doing: not only does he grudgingly come around himself, but at the meeting where you were exiled no one really seemed to pay him heed.

What makes it even tougher to puzzle out is how it doesn't seem like any of the three really give a crap what the other two think. Kavar gives out orders to the others, but neither of them obey. Vrook insisted at the exile meeting that you were past redemption, but the others blew him off. And Kai-El...well, would YOU have any faith in him as a leader? So if two out of three left you as allies, and the third was willing to give you more of a chance than before, and if none of the three has any way to sway the others to his side...what happened?

My guess is that they just got spooked again. Over the past decade they'd forgotten the real reason that they banished you. But once you appeared before them again, and once the immediate disaster passed, their terror of you came flooding back. I find it revealing that, unlike Kreia and The Exile, the Jedi Masters died when they got cut off from the Force. They relied on it so much that they literally could not live without it. Considering that you're the Anti-Force...

Well, that's my theory anyhow.

I let Vrook get away.

Kavar won't get the same chance.

Heh, I'd have thought it'd be the other way around!

Actually I'll let Kavar get away too

Just to see if I still get Force Crush, and to see if Kreia's dialogue changes

I've played thru the game on Dark side once, and I remember killing only Zez-Kai Ell and letting the others live - and getting the Dark outcome at Dantooine.

So yeah, if you're DS you should be getting your Force Win - er, Crush, if you killed even one of the masters.

I'm letting them all get away, just to see what happens. I am a Sith Lord, something must change... but if I get a Light Side answer, here, that would be interesting too.

I hope I get Force Crush, anyway.

I didn't kill Vrook because I have an inexplicable affinity for any character voiced by Ed Asner.

Alright, I did some checking, and you probably know this by now, but apparently the Force power you get on Dantooine is entirely dependent on your alignment. So you should get your Force Crush if you manage to save all three masters, though I doubt the dialogue will change all that much. Hell, they managed to mix the Exile up with Nihilus, they'll probably miss your painfully obvious alignment as well.

I've noticed something on my second playthru (again), namely that the random loot tables are really wonky at times. I just got to Telos again, and I've already acquired four different sets of HEAVY armor - and nobody on my team-to-be either can, will (Mandalore), or should (Disciple) use them. Or maybe someone at Obsidian was just being a dick and coded the loot tables to favor heavy armor drops, who knows.

Fair enough.

I wonder if I can let Kavar get away while siding with that General....!

I would imagine that being Dark Side, but letting the Masters live, would change something: Kreia would be more approving of you emulating her, if nothing else. I have a feeling that's not actually the case though.