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Gnizmo said:
selnor said:


Zelda 3 as NOT complex at all. Niether was the first one. OOT was much more complex. The 2nd one with it's 2d side segments was the only complex part of any of the first 3.

I guess my opinion is different to yours. I can see exactly what the IGN article means. I know MK has always had rewards for people in last place. But nowhere near the rediculousness that is MKWii.

And also you cannot have concrete evidence to opinion. Yours is opinion just as much as mine as is IGN's. So no I didnt waste time at all, I'm sorry my opinion is what you wanted, but it's how I feel about Ninty letting me down.

I can give concrete evidence for many of my opinions. I have cited new mechanics that make MKWii require skill to excell at. I can also cite examples of why SMG was more "casual" than Mario 64 and a good example of what you are talking about. I just wanted to see if you were going with the majority opinion for a real reason or not.

OoT is a 3D remake of Link to the Past. To call it much more complex is absurd. Many of the puzzles were far easier. Nothing has ever come close to being as hard as the NES Zeldas. They were the most hardcore of the hardcore games in the series, but also amongst the worst imo.

OoT was even made easier on purpose for the "casuals" outside of Japan which is why we have a master quest now.

As far as MK goes, skill still goes a long way, you can get annoyed by the items, I do myself and the game suffers in my eyes but look at the MK league you see Rol at the top he just plain knows the game and is better. And Selnor my friend I'm not sure if you know this or not but being able to be flat out better then someone at a game means there has to be a skill to it, fact not opinion.

SMG is by far better than SMS, and I'd say better than SM64, while it may seem easier I have went back and beat SM64 with 120 stars in less than a couple of days, that first time you play a 3D platformer which was likely SM64 then yes it will be harder, once you've aquired the skill it stays and transfers to newer games, only issue Nintendo wants to avoid what happened with the NES where games progressively got harder and harder until you've only started to market to a select few and that has been how the industry has always been and where it has fell flat on its face before.

In the debate of SSBB vs SSBM, I've noticed a majority of people that say SSBM was the better game was the people that played SSBM competitvely and these players played abusing exploits that were taken out of Brawl, yes the expolit itself takes a certain amount of skill to do and do it proficiently, but the whiners are complaining cause they have to learn a whole new system for a whole new game, if you're one of those then yes it would be a worse game to you, if you're not then there must be something seriously wrong since Brawl improved on everything Melee did, Melee was one of the worst looking Gamecube games while Brawl is one of the best looking Wii games, Melee had a random way of getting trophies, while Brawl lets you play a game to get them and know which trophies you're getting, Melee had a really basic single player adventure mode, while Brawl actually creates a story for all the characters, Melee had no custom levels, Brawl does, Brawl also has more levels and characters in general, and finally Brawl also has more options on gameplay.  In short every way you can think of Brawl does it better.



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Gnizmo said:
Words Of Wisdom said:

Zelda 2 maybe, but Zelda 1 wasn't really challenging.

It was mostly just doing random stuff for 6 hours in different places hoping to discover the next area to go to that made it a pain.

Zelda 1's second quest was what made it hard. The first run through was a bitch only if you got lost which was extremely easy.

You wouldn't be saying that if you played it when you were 5 years old.  Like a lot of people who consider themselves 'hardcore' gamers now did.

But that's beside the point.  I also played Zelda when I was 5 years old and I still think Zelda got easier over time.  Zelda 1 and 2 are pretty much the hardest games in the series, not counting one or two puzzles that I personally couldn't figure out quickly in the 3D Zelda games.



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