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ZorroX said:
saicho said:
ZorroX said:

@jarrod, one game is not enough.
There must be several big games for success in Japan.

Again, strong support =/= big sales, but a lot of games. And PS3 owns Saturn/N64/GC in terms of quantity and quality of 1st/2nd party games. Though, most games are west oriented.

Also, +-5k i count as around 30k+ levels. I mean, 27-28k it`s still around 30k+.
I don`t expect PS3 to go below 25k for 5 weeks in Japan during 2010.

@saicho, i don`t make bets for half a year or a year. That would take to much time for waiting.

This thread is gonna take 6 months to see how it would turn out and you don't seem to mind waiting.

So 6 months bet and from today... So, you wanna bet, that PS3 will sell below 25k for more than 5 weeks during January - February - March - April - May. You really do?

Well, i think PS3 will reach 5M atleast by the end of March 2010 in Japan(if GT5 still will come in March). And there is a slim chance, that this will happen before the end of January, since you never know, how big will be this holiday for PS3.

Do the maths.

PS3 is 1.11 millions units away.

10 weeks till end of january.

Now you honestly believe there is a slim chance PS3 will average 110k/week for the next 10 weeks ?

It just will not happen.........



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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Ail said:

Do the maths.

PS3 is 1.11 millions units away.

10 weeks till end of january.

Now you honestly believe there is a slim chance PS3 will average 110k/week for the next 10 weeks ?

It just will not happen.........

It`s 3,888,564 and 11 weeks actually.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 23rd Nov 2003 to 31st Jan 2004: 

Console GC PS2
Japan
596,292
1,263,862

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 21st Nov 2004 to 29th Jan 2005: 

Console GC PS2
Japan
223,958
1,208,835

This will be first PS3 Christmas in Japan with Slim/Mass Market Price/FFXIII.

 

PS2 had a pricecut on Nov 16th 2003 week. PS2 got a slim version on Nov 7th 2004 week.

PS3 sold over 150k with Slim and pricecut on first week but in September 2009. So, 1.1M is possible i think.



ZorroX said:
Ail said:

Do the maths.

PS3 is 1.11 millions units away.

10 weeks till end of january.

Now you honestly believe there is a slim chance PS3 will average 110k/week for the next 10 weeks ?

It just will not happen.........

It`s 3,888,564 and 11 weeks actually.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 23rd Nov 2003 to 31st Jan 2004: 

Console GC PS2
Japan
596,292
1,263,862

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 21st Nov 2004 to 29th Jan 2005: 

Console GC PS2
Japan
223,958
1,208,835

This will be first PS3 Christmas in Japan with Slim/Mass Market Price/FFXIII.

 

PS2 had a pricecut on Nov 16th 2003 week. PS2 got a slim version on Nov 7th 2004 week.

PS3 sold over 150k with Slim and pricecut on first week but in September 2009. So, 1.1M is possible i think.

 

The slim was introduced 6 weeks ago, it's not getting introduced next week.

Last week the PS3 sold 36k units or so, that's is quite far from the 100k+a average/week needed...

Like I said it's not realistic at all and you have more chances to win at powerball than for PS3 to average 100k+ sales for the next 10-11 weeks..



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Holiday season probably hasn`t started in Japan yet.
Anyway, only time will show.
All i know: "This will be first PS3 Christmas in Japan with Slim/Mass Market Price/FFXIII."

3 factors together.



PS3 is my call based on little to no facts.

w00t, my first post.



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so 1.25m needed for wii and 1.11m for PS3.

Ps3 will get to its 5 first, especially with FF13 boost.



ZorroX said:
saicho said:
ZorroX said:

@jarrod, one game is not enough.
There must be several big games for success in Japan.

Again, strong support =/= big sales, but a lot of games. And PS3 owns Saturn/N64/GC in terms of quantity and quality of 1st/2nd party games. Though, most games are west oriented.

Also, +-5k i count as around 30k+ levels. I mean, 27-28k it`s still around 30k+.
I don`t expect PS3 to go below 25k for 5 weeks in Japan during 2010.

@saicho, i don`t make bets for half a year or a year. That would take to much time for waiting.

This thread is gonna take 6 months to see how it would turn out and you don't seem to mind waiting.

So 6 months bet and from today... So, you wanna bet, that PS3 will sell below 25k for more than 5 weeks during January - February - March - April - May. You really do?

Well, i think PS3 will reach 5M atleast by the end of March 2010 in Japan(if GT5 still will come in March). And there is a slim chance, that this will happen before the end of January, since you never know, how big will be this holiday for PS3.

now you are just twisting my words and backing off from your original prediction.

1. The thread was made at the end of September and neither Wii or PS3 is gonna hit the target stated until end of Mar which is 6 months. You said you don't make bets for half a year or a year.

2. Ogirinally you said "Now price is affordable and sales have stabilized at 30k+. They are not going below that level for 90% of 2010." and I said it won't happen. Now you are changing the bar to 25K. 30K+ would mean more than 30K, not more than 25K.

3. Dec 2009 is not part of 2010. I would bet with you that in the first 6 months of 2010, PS3 would sell less than 30K in Japan for at least 3 weeks. 10 % of 6 months is 2.6 weeks.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

saicho said:
ZorroX said:
saicho said:
ZorroX said:

@jarrod, one game is not enough.
There must be several big games for success in Japan.

Again, strong support =/= big sales, but a lot of games. And PS3 owns Saturn/N64/GC in terms of quantity and quality of 1st/2nd party games. Though, most games are west oriented.

Also, +-5k i count as around 30k+ levels. I mean, 27-28k it`s still around 30k+.
I don`t expect PS3 to go below 25k for 5 weeks in Japan during 2010.

@saicho, i don`t make bets for half a year or a year. That would take to much time for waiting.

This thread is gonna take 6 months to see how it would turn out and you don't seem to mind waiting.

So 6 months bet and from today... So, you wanna bet, that PS3 will sell below 25k for more than 5 weeks during January - February - March - April - May. You really do?

Well, i think PS3 will reach 5M atleast by the end of March 2010 in Japan(if GT5 still will come in March). And there is a slim chance, that this will happen before the end of January, since you never know, how big will be this holiday for PS3.

now you are just twisting my words and backing off from your original prediction.

1. The thread was made at the end of September and neither Wii or PS3 is gonna hit the target stated until end of Mar which is 6 months. You said you don't make bets for half a year or a year.

2. Ogirinally you said "Now price is affordable and sales have stabilized at 30k+. They are not going below that level for 90% of 2010." and I said it won't happen. Now you are changing the bar to 25K. 30K+ would mean more than 30K, not more than 25K.

3. Dec 2009 is not part of 2010. I would bet with you that in the first 6 months of 2010, PS3 would sell less than 30K in Japan for at least 3 weeks. 10 % of 6 months is 2.6 weeks.

No, i`m not.

1) With whom i made 6 months bet? It`s a race, yes. Bet?

2) Since PS3 pricecut and slim release in Japan, PS3 was below 30k on VGC only once, and only by 1,5k.  That`s what i call stabilized at 30k+. Those several thousand really don`t matter to me. Also, there are 4 tracking sources, which sometimes show different result. Below 25k for all trackers is definitely not stabilized at 30k+.

3) But from today it would be 6 months bet, because i stated about 30k+ level several days ago and not after 1 month. Again, those 10% or 5 weeks work for whole year, but might not work for half a year.



letsdance said:
did someone suggest that the Wii could drop the price to 99 dollars... Yeah... maybe if they want to be as dumb as sony and start losing billions of dollars. Seriously, they were using old tech... the reason why Nintendo didn't drop the price till recently is because they are profit driven company and they could drop the price and make a profit at the same time... so now you want them to drop the price twice as much as they did already? Yeah... it'll spur sales to insane amounts but it will sell more than the Ps3 did and at a loss.

At $99, Nintendo would likely still be profiting (or at worst breaking even) on Wii.  It's basically just an upclocked GameCube (which they were profiting off @$99 5 years ago) with a flash drive and wifi chip.

The reason Nintendo didn't drop the price until this year is because they were selling out their stock basically as soon as it hit shelves.  They've been making insane margins on the hardware all along.



jarrod said:
letsdance said:
did someone suggest that the Wii could drop the price to 99 dollars... Yeah... maybe if they want to be as dumb as sony and start losing billions of dollars. Seriously, they were using old tech... the reason why Nintendo didn't drop the price till recently is because they are profit driven company and they could drop the price and make a profit at the same time... so now you want them to drop the price twice as much as they did already? Yeah... it'll spur sales to insane amounts but it will sell more than the Ps3 did and at a loss.

At $99, Nintendo would likely still be profiting (or at worst breaking even) on Wii.  It's basically just an upclocked GameCube (which they were profiting off @$99 5 years ago) with a flash drive and wifi chip.

The reason Nintendo didn't drop the price until this year is because they were selling out their stock basically as soon as it hit shelves.  They've been making insane margins on the hardware all along.

Their margins aren't that high, it doesn't take rocket science maths to see that.

 

You're suggesting the Wii is profitable at 99$ means Nintendo would have made 150$ or so per Wii sold last financial year.

They sold 26 millions units.

That's 3.9 billion$ profit...

 

Nintendo made 2.8 billion$ net profit that year  and that included DS profit, DS software and Wii software and those last 3 are far from being negligible.....



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !