@ail, it did make it last month, abt 120 k LTD they predicted i recall. However they didnt change their estimate so i guess thats why it wasnt included in november's list

Can't you read? I wrote Wii already had "several Mario games", NOT "several 2D Mario Platformers". Are you really persuaded die-hard Mario fans are refusing to buy a Wii until a 2D Mario platformer is released? Wasn't any previous Wii Mario game enough to make them buy the console? How many die-hard Mario and Nintendo fans do you know that won't buy a Wii until NSMBW is released?

Obviously, like any big game, it will move some HW sales, but I wouldn't expect miracles. I'm not 100% sure, anyhow, like I wrote too, I don't know Japan, so there could be something I don't know in NSMBW that would trigger Japan sales, but I'm pretty sure It won't be Mario minions waiting for it to buy a Wii.

  Are you capable of simple reasoning, the point is that 2D Mario is very different beast than 3D Mario, with very different appeal, 2D gaming has a very different appeal than 3D gaming.

You really don't get it do you?  Mario Kart is not the same thing as NSMB, Galaxy is not the same thing, Mario Party is not, nor is Mario tennis or Mario Golf or any of the other Mario games

Slapping Mario on the label doesn't mean the games appeal to the same people,  Kart is a racer, Galaxy is a 3D platformer, Smash is a Fighter, Golf and tennis and strikers and the other sports games are sports games, those are all different genres, they don't have the same people who like them.

That's exactly what I'm saying, and I've been saying it for a while. We'll find out soon enough.

Simple reasoning? Is it reasonable to expect an awful lot of gamers, btw mostly big Mario and Nintendo fans, refusing to buy a Wii until a 2D Mario platformer is released? I keep on thinking the game will sell very well, but I don't expect it to be the best HW seller.

Slapping Mario on a single game won't lure every Mario fan, but having already slapped Mario on a lot of different games, of which 3 sold more than 6million and another one more than 18million should have already persuaded the vast majority of Mario fans, I seriously doubt there are still so many 2D Mario-only fans still without a Wii around.

Anyhow, we'll know quite soon...

Much more reasonable than expecting FF13 to push hardware on the PS3, no one was expecting a 2D Mario on Wii until E3, everyone since the gen began was expecting FF13 to be on PS3, but somehow people have been holding off until FF13, do you even read what you type?

Being a 2D Mario fan doesn't mean you'll buy other stuff Nintendo makes or other Mario games, you think that its a cult of personality that Mario is the big draw, wrong its about the game, it just happens that Mario is in a lot of good games, but the gameplay in those games are so different the only similarity is Mario, liking 2D Mario doesn't mean you like Kart or Smash or any of the other games that Mario has been in, because none of them are 2D platformers, heck most aren't even 2D.

Kart has sold a lot yes, but is Kart racing anything like NSMB, the only similarities are the characters, the gameplay is completely different, you really think everyone who likes NSMB will like racing games?

The way things are going - PS3 first.

So if tomorrow Famitsu sales reveal the PS3>Wii..
I'm going to go with the Sony PlayStation 3 Computer Entertainment System.

If Wii>PS3,
I'm going to go with the Nintendo Wii.

^It'll probably be PS3 slightly ahead until the last week of November or first week of December, then Wii will ramp up ahead

wii wont be ramping up any where with final fantasy around the corner, this is ps3's holiday in japan.