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Forums - Sales Discussion - Wii 10 mln. or PS3 5 mln. in Japan. Who first?

Maybe i underestimated PS3 sales, after so much people were saying, that PS3 is not going to hit even 40k this week.

Though, initially i said above 40-50k for the rest of year. :)

An interesting battle for 5/10 mln. goals.



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50k for 4th week with no new releases. This looks like sales pretty much stabilized.
And next week PS3 is getting 2 new games, which definitely will hold PS3 sales in 40-50k+ range.

Well, we will see how it will go for the rest of year, but this week is MINE.



next week, ninja gaiden sigma 2 and trinity universe should help ps3 sales in japan a little.

i expect it to stay around 40k - 50k next week



ioi said:
Well I still think PS3 sales will drop significantly in the next few weeks so let's reserve judgement for the time being...

Well they didn't fall badly this week and next one will bring new games I think ps3 will be stabilising around 40k mark for now.



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Well, I'll finally chime in now about what I meant earlier about the challenges Wii faces this year:

My assumptions about this holiday have been heavily influenced by a report I read early in the year.  I don't remember who wrote it (and can't find it now) but it was for some investment house giving advice to its investors.  This was put out right after Nintendo put out that sales report at the end of January where they said they'd miss their Wii hardware forecast by 1 million units (and there was a subsequent drop of nearly 12% to their stock value in a single day).

At the time, just about every analyst was talking about the Wii experiencing a saturation effect in Japan.  Even Iwata seemed to be on board with that reasoning because at the investor's conference at the time his only reassurance was that investors should not assume that the trend in Japan could be applied to the rest of the world.  He said that you had to understand that in Japan people get tired of new technology very quickly and the rest of the world is not like that.  Regardless, just about every analyst warned that they expected worldwide Wii sales to decline for the remainder of the generation.

Anyway, back to that report...  The jist of it was that the decline in Japan was not just due to the population getting "tired of the new tech" as Iwata suggested, but that just about everyone with a high to moderate degree of purchase intent had already followed through on buying it.  I'll use current numbers and dates to explain:  The GameCube only sold 4 million units lifetime in Japan.  The Wii has already sold 8.5 million units.  Given that the Wii was at an affordable price point from Day 1 and that three holiday seasons have already passed, we can assume that close to 100% of those Nintendo-loyal GameCube owners have already traded up.

So who else can be expected to buy a Wii if GameCube owners are already accounted for?  Well, a lot of people to be honest:

1) People who maintain some loyalty to Nintendo, but not to such a great degree that they were willing to spend money on their failed products.  This is a big group, really.  Nintendo, even during their dark console years, has always owned the handheld market.  So this group is basically Nintendo handheld owners who didn't buy GameCubes but might buy a Wii.

2) People who do not have any appreciable interest or loyalty to Nintendo but might want the new experiences the Wii offers.  Big group again.  You don't have to be a Nintendo fan to want to try motion control or use WiiFit.

So that is two big groups that skipped out on the Nintendo console last gen (or are entirely new to consoles) but might make the jump to Wii this gen.  However, 4.5 million of these people have already purchased a Wii.  Out of everyone else in these groups, their interest in buying a Wii is so soft that they held out this long even though it has always been reasonably priced and just about every Nintendo franchise has been represented in the game selection.  Also, a big chunk of both groups above bought PS2's last generation and since they haven't bought a Wii yet, almost all of that subgroup (except those that have bought PS3's) still have a PS2 attached to their TV at this very moment.  And the PS2 has been very, very good to them.

On the other hand, the Sony situation is completely reversed:  The report expected (as everyone on the planet did) that the PS3 would get a price cut this year and would likely be at a reasonable price point for the first time since launch.  Sony has barely sold through to their last gen base at all.  Out of 22 million sold (the base is somewhat smaller than this because that number includes replacements, secondary bedroom units, etc but still...), they've only sold 3.5 million.  This means that although Nintendo might be expected to continue to attract the majority of new-to-consoles players to buy the Wii, they are largely screwed when it comes to attracting the millions of consumers who were around last gen who haven't yet made the jump to current gen.  Nearly 100% of this group are current PS2 owners and haven't shown enough interest in the Wii to actually buy one yet.

When I initially checked out this thread, I thought (as I still do) that the 5 mil / 10 mil race is interesting.  I assumed two things: 1) The Wii will have its worst holiday season yet and 2) the PS3 will have its best holiday yet.  But even given those assumptions, I wasn't sure how things will play out because I didn't know much about hard numbers.  Even if both of the above assumption were to occur, the Wii could still sell better than the PS3.  It was Zorro's posting of last years numbers that made me make a call in favour of PS3.  I hadn't realized that selling 1.5 million Wii's probably means that Gran Turismo 5 will be in play before the Wii's target is reached.

 

 



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Zlejedi said:
ioi said:
Well I still think PS3 sales will drop significantly in the next few weeks so let's reserve judgement for the time being...

Well they didn't fall badly this week and next one will bring new games I think ps3 will be stabilising around 40k mark for now.

That, my friend, would be the deciding factor of our bet. :)



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

saicho said:
Zlejedi said:
ioi said:
Well I still think PS3 sales will drop significantly in the next few weeks so let's reserve judgement for the time being...

Well they didn't fall badly this week and next one will bring new games I think ps3 will be stabilising around 40k mark for now.

That, my friend, would be the deciding factor of our bet. :)

I must say i look with a lot more optimism at it now after semptember passed compared to summer months :D



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ioi said:

Some VERY rough projections - let's see how close I get:


Wii PS3
27-Sep-09       18,000    8,554,862       30,000  3,623,866
04-Oct-09       45,000    8,599,862       30,000  3,653,866
11-Oct-09       41,500    8,641,362       28,000  3,681,866
18-Oct-09       38,500    8,679,862       25,000  3,706,866
25-Oct-09       36,000    8,715,862       23,000  3,729,866
01-Nov-09       45,000    8,760,862       31,000  3,760,866
08-Nov-09       42,500    8,803,362       27,500  3,788,366
15-Nov-09       55,000    8,858,362       31,000  3,819,366
22-Nov-09     145,000    9,003,362       31,000  3,850,366
29-Nov-09     105,000    9,108,362       38,500  3,888,866
06-Dec-09       95,000    9,203,362       49,500  3,938,366
13-Dec-09     110,000    9,313,362       75,000  4,013,366
20-Dec-09     180,000    9,493,362     175,000  4,188,366
27-Dec-09     215,000    9,708,362     125,000  4,313,366
03-Jan-10     165,000    9,873,362     110,000  4,423,366
10-Jan-10       65,000    9,938,362       47,500  4,470,866
17-Jan-10       50,000    9,988,362       40,000  4,510,866
24-Jan-10       40,000  10,028,362       36,500  4,547,366
31-Jan-10       35,000  10,063,362       33,250  4,580,616

Can i take this table n make a new thread to keep how close or far from reality this prediction is on weekly basis given a gurantee that i wont be banned. :P



Well i think the PS3 will get to 5 befor Wii gets to 10



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Media create numbers has PS3 at 39k.

Which brings up something that needs to be addressed: who's numbers are being used for this? I'd assume VGC but I often seen people default to Famitsu or Media Create whenever they find themselves in a situation they don't like.



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