Not at all a joke post.

I am a massive racing fan and have played them all. Used to play Gran Turismo for days and days. Know the tracks like the back of my ass etc etc.

Any real racing fan knows that Gran Turismo A Spec is/was the best GT game to date. The game brought the racing simulation genre into what we see today. The game got amazing reviews too scoring 95% on metacritic. That was in 2001.

Since then the series has not done aswell review wise. From a gaming point of view it was limited and for a game known for having the customization options available to you that was a let down. After that we got Pro-logue which was let's be honest here poor, scoring 70% on metacritic. After that GT4 which was far better then that but not really any different from A spec. At that point in time (2005) we had the 1st Forza game. As i mentioned before any real racing fan will tell you Forza was better then GT4. The sheer number of customization options as well as having better graphics, and more realistic driving gameplay made it better. Reviews wise Forza got 92% and GT4 got 89%, so the critics agree. Then we had GT5: Prologue. A laughable addition to the racing simulation world. A game that before hand had tried to dazzle with amazing videos of how great it looked, how ironic that it would then turn out to not be anything like it. Forza 2 put that game in it's place by getting 90% score compared to 80% on metacritic.

So as i said, from a racing game fans point of view Forza has been the better series. No GT game has reached a 90% score since 2001.

Just because it sell's more does not make it the better game.

Simple. Because racing fans are the ones who drive the Forza community. They are the people who tell them what they like and dislike. They make the games based off what the community says. If you go on that community you will find they do not see it as a GT vs Forza thing like you see on this website, they see it simply as trying to make the best most realistic driving experience known to gamers. In GT that is limited due to contractual reasons such as before the damage on cars. Or the way a car would react when hitting another car, you can play GT's corners by using the cars in front as bumper cars, again not very realistic. You do that in Forza and you will both wipe out and most likely fook your car up to the point you will not be as competative.

Plus leagues/events/tournaments use Forza instead of GT.

Factual means being able to back up claims with facts. Metacritic is a source of all the reviews out in the planet. As i stated Forza has beaten Gran Turismo's reviews since they have been available. That means those people who are paid to play games and play them all think Forza is better too. I think that is pretty conclusive evidence.....

If your friend prefer's Killzone to Halo then that is his opinion. Im basing my opinion on my own experiences as an amateur racing driver and a avid gamer, which are backed up by the gaming websites/magazines. Their opinion seems on par with mine.

Not quite sure of the point your trying to make CGI?

It depends as i said on how you define better?

In the world we have this thing called reviews. The point of these reviews are to let people know what someone might think of a particular thing of which they specialise in. For example someone who works as say a guitar reviewer might know a bit about guitars, someone who works as say a bank reviewer might know a thing about banks, someone who knows about boats might review boats, and someone who knows games might review games. So these reviewers review certain things and then give out a score based on what they like and dislike.

This review is then used to try and influence their readers/friend/neighbour into making a decision on if it is something worth buying or not.

Some sites collect all these reviews and use it to give people a general idea of a product. So if you were looking for say a new cd you could gauge what people think were good ones, a film you could see what was worth going to see and which games were worth buying and so on and so on.

So if we are to use all those collective people's opinions we would see that those people prefer Forza to Gran Turismo because they have given Forza a higher score and Gran Turismo a lower score. So that means reviewers prefered Forza, that is FACT. We then must assume those reviewers were game reviewers and not boat reviewers, again that is FACT.

So think of reviews as a sort of survey. At the end of that survey when all the figures were jotted down the general census of those people surveyed was to give the impression Forza was better, again that is FACT.

Now as i mentioned before games sales do not mean a game is better. That is like saying Titanic must be better then Star Wars because it sold more copies. What it means is more people paid for it, they cannot make a decision about if they like it or not until you actually pay for it and play it right?

Like today 2m halo odst were sold. They did not know if they liked it or not until they put it into their console and play it. A lot of them will like it and a lot will dislike it. Sales mean nothing. That is like saying the old lightbulbs are better then the new lightbulbs because they sold more....

If Uncharted 2 get's better reviews then Halo ODST it will mean Uncharted is considered a better game by reviewers. If Halo sells more then Uncharted it will mean Halo sold more copies, nothing else.

People read magazines/tv programmes/websites etc to see reviews, that is what influences them. Games sales do not. Because generally other then us few thousand here nobody gives a shit about game sales.

So hopefully that makes sense to you CGI :)

Forza 3. I'd get both if I had a PS3 though.

Again not quite sure what your trying to say really

GT has not had a 90% score since 2001 = fact

The real racing community (people who actually race) think Forza is closer to the real thing = fact

The racing gaming community prefer Forza as it has a far bigger community = fact

The customisation guys who love to design stuff prefer Forza = fact

and so on and so on

As far as i can tell they are all facts, which back up my post. Just because you don't agree with them does not make them any different to what they are.

I think your problem is you concentrate on how things are worded and ignore what is being said. You called me out for my opinion and fair enough, but i have backed it up with factual evidence. Accept it and move on :)

I will get both.

Currently, I'd get GT 5, because it would hard to play Forza 3 on a PS3. If I had a 360, I'd wait until both games come out and then decide.

But if they announce DLC for extra cars (which should have been included in the game before its release) them I'm going to skip it, or get it as a Greatest Hits title.

I will purchase Gran Turimso 5. Come on guys, you can't honestly put these two games together and think they are on the same level because they are not. The last Forza game just barely sold over 2 million copies LTD. Gran Turismo series just sold 50 million copies worldwide. The prologue to GT5 sold 3 million copies WW and that's just the4 prologue! So when it comes to which game is better its pretty obvious. Everyone should go buy GT5. Your money will be worth it. It has better graphics, gameplay and you can customize you car like no other racing game on this planet. So what all the cars in GT5 don't have damage. Do you honestly want a car you worked hard on in the game get destroyed. The answer is NO! In 2010, buy Gran Turismo 5. You will be buying the greatest racing game this generation will ever seen. BET ON IT!

According to Game Rankings, GT4 got 89.19%, while Forza 2 got 89.61%, so I guess both games have been crap since 2005.

http://www.gamerankings.com/ps2/561066-gran-turismo-4/index.html

http://www.gamerankings.com/xbox360/932731-forza-motorsport-2/index.html

= FACT

I guess we'll have to see if Forza 3 or GT 5 to actually be relased before we can tell if either game =/= crap.

Sales does not equal quality.

It is a well known fact that Forzza will have more customization.

No one knows which has better graphics

What is the point of a racing sim if it doesn't have damage? Remember Sim=Simulation

And that last part is just your opinion