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trashleg said:
CrazyHorse said:

It's too early to decide yet, I'll wait to hear what comes out from the remaining party conferences as well as the manifestos closer to election time. I'm not really keen on any of the  parties will go with who ever comes closest to my views.

Pro-European

Pro-Nuclear Energy

Pro-Electoral Reform (elected House of Lords, proportional representation)

I would like to see tution fees scrapped but entry requiremnts significantly raised so that university becomes a career choice again rather than a lifestyle choice (and pointless courses should be dropped).

Not too sure where I stand on taxation but I like the idea Kowenicki suggested about reducing income tax and rasing VAT.

Not sure about the war either. I don't think us leaving will be good for Afghanistan but I'm not sure us staying is going to resolve the situation anytime soon.

if those people have the means to pay for them, why shouldn't they be entitled to go learn about what they're interested in? it may be "pointless" to you, and i agree there are some courses i would regerd as important as others but if there wasn't demand for them tehy wouldn't be running.

also, to the guy who was saying about the 54 deaths turning into 9000 deaths. it isnt just about a generation or 2 later there's a cancer incidence, what happened may well have caused massive genetic mutations that will manifest themselves in gerenation upon generation to come, maybe for a very long time. :/

 

edited for massive typos

That's a fair point. I just don't think courses which offer no benefit to society should be paid for by society but if people want to pay to learn about their interest that's fine (and I respect anyone who wants to learn simply for the sake of learning). As for the demand, I have a feeling a lot of that is due to the low restrictions and 'easier' nature of certain courses which appeal to people who simply want to experience the university lifestyle.



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CrazyHorse said:
trashleg said:
CrazyHorse said:

It's too early to decide yet, I'll wait to hear what comes out from the remaining party conferences as well as the manifestos closer to election time. I'm not really keen on any of the  parties will go with who ever comes closest to my views.

Pro-European

Pro-Nuclear Energy

Pro-Electoral Reform (elected House of Lords, proportional representation)

I would like to see tution fees scrapped but entry requiremnts significantly raised so that university becomes a career choice again rather than a lifestyle choice (and pointless courses should be dropped).

Not too sure where I stand on taxation but I like the idea Kowenicki suggested about reducing income tax and rasing VAT.

Not sure about the war either. I don't think us leaving will be good for Afghanistan but I'm not sure us staying is going to resolve the situation anytime soon.

if those people have the means to pay for them, why shouldn't they be entitled to go learn about what they're interested in? it may be "pointless" to you, and i agree there are some courses i would regerd as important as others but if there wasn't demand for them tehy wouldn't be running.

also, to the guy who was saying about the 54 deaths turning into 9000 deaths. it isnt just about a generation or 2 later there's a cancer incidence, what happened may well have caused massive genetic mutations that will manifest themselves in gerenation upon generation to come, maybe for a very long time. :/

 

edited for massive typos

That's a fair point. I just don't think courses which offer no benefit to society should be paid for by society but if people want to pay to learn about their interest that's fine (and I respect anyone who wants to learn simply for the sake of learning). As for the demand, I have a feeling a lot of that is due to the low restrictions and 'easier' nature of certain courses which appeal to people who simply want to experience the university lifestyle.

yeah i agree with that. i hope you dont think i was being pedantic, just wanted to understand how general you were being ^_^



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.

@SciFiBoy

My responses in italic

 

oh cool, another pro-Europe brit, there are way too few of us

The way the mainstream media report on European issues is very damaging to the pro-european opinion. Certain 'news'papers will report the bendy banana rules the EU impossed but they often forget to report that the Eu passed laws restricting the cost of pan European mobile calls, restricted the charge that credit card companies impose on purchases abroad and making it possible for you to claim compensation should an airline overbook your flight or arrive late.

electoral reform im in favour of too

still a little suspect on nuclear myself

I understand the suspicion but it is much safer than the media would have you believe and disposal technologies are constantly moving forward. Not to mention it really is the only available option at the minute (renewables are inefficient and we don't want to have to rely on foregin states for our energy).

tuition fees should be scrapped on principle that education should be free to access for all imo (or at the very least, there should be a free option when it comes to education at any level), I agree some course's need to go (pointless ones), however, I think education is great, people should do it if they want too, raising entry standards a little maybe, but not so much as to stop people like me going (im good at stuff, just not great at exams, don't see why that should stop me learning more though)

Education is great but too many resources are being spent on sending people to uni when it has no benefit to society. More should be done on voactional training and internships.

taxes I don't know too much about, but should be covered on my politics course (doing at the moment)

war in Afghanistan seems pointless to me, we cant afford it for a start, it doesn't serve our interests so far as i can tell either, taliban fought off the empire and the USSR, both had more resources than Nato, Afghanistan government is one of the worst there is, no way should we be propping them up, this is not to mention the fact we seem to have acheived little in the past 8 years

The Taliban were able to fight off the USSR as they were funded/equiped/trained by the west. My fear is that if we pull out the country will revert to what it was under the taliban and the people will suffer. Altough the situation is bad now there is at least the prospect that we can force some sort of political peace.



Kasz216 said:

9,000 total.

54 deaths total so far.

A maximium worst case scenario of 4,000 deaths caused by cancer... (though they've later said this number is likely too high due to Russia's just poor healthcre in general.)

and a maximium worst case scenario of 5,000 deaths caused by complications, panic, etc.

How can I call it tame?  It's been 20 years, and 54 people have died.  Even if the absolute worst case maximiums end up being the case...

Most of those are going to be on the very tale end of life, people dieing a few years early.  The psychological effects from people overreacting likely did more damage then the actual radiation leak. (Actually what the UN scientists said... and where that additional 5,000 estimate comes from.)

Compare it to something like 9/11 where 3,000 people died like, right away.   3,000 people dieng right away is worse then 54 people dieing... then up to 9,000 dieing 20+ years later.

 

Though i agree 3,000 deaths is worse then 54, no doubt about that. I was trying to avoid a comparison to any other major man made disaster because all should be seen in their own right not compared.

The Chernobyl Distaster wasn't about the immediate deaths it's about the long and short term effect that the radiation has and will cause on the world.

 

But this thread isn't about this so lets stop chatting about it.



Hmm, pie.

trashleg said:
CrazyHorse said:

That's a fair point. I just don't think courses which offer no benefit to society should be paid for by society but if people want to pay to learn about their interest that's fine (and I respect anyone who wants to learn simply for the sake of learning). As for the demand, I have a feeling a lot of that is due to the low restrictions and 'easier' nature of certain courses which appeal to people who simply want to experience the university lifestyle.

yeah i agree with that. i hope you dont think i was being pedantic, just wanted to understand how general you were being ^_^

Not at all, I was generalising a little in my post and agree with what you pointed out.



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CrazyHorse said:

@SciFiBoy

My responses in italic

 

oh cool, another pro-Europe brit, there are way too few of us

The way the mainstream media report on European issues is very damaging to the pro-european opinion. Certain 'news'papers will report the bendy banana rules the EU impossed but they often forget to report that the Eu passed laws restricting the cost of pan European mobile calls, restricted the charge that credit card companies impose on purchases abroad and making it possible for you to claim compensation should an airline overbook your flight or arrive late.

electoral reform im in favour of too

still a little suspect on nuclear myself

I understand the suspicion but it is much safer than the media would have you believe and disposal technologies are constantly moving forward. Not to mention it really is the only available option at the minute (renewables are inefficient and we don't want to have to rely on foregin states for our energy).

tuition fees should be scrapped on principle that education should be free to access for all imo (or at the very least, there should be a free option when it comes to education at any level), I agree some course's need to go (pointless ones), however, I think education is great, people should do it if they want too, raising entry standards a little maybe, but not so much as to stop people like me going (im good at stuff, just not great at exams, don't see why that should stop me learning more though)

Education is great but too many resources are being spent on sending people to uni when it has no benefit to society. More should be done on voactional training and internships. okay, sure, that makes sense, maybe they should make some of the degrees more vocational too, that would be good

taxes I don't know too much about, but should be covered on my politics course (doing at the moment)

war in Afghanistan seems pointless to me, we cant afford it for a start, it doesn't serve our interests so far as i can tell either, taliban fought off the empire and the USSR, both had more resources than Nato, Afghanistan government is one of the worst there is, no way should we be propping them up, this is not to mention the fact we seem to have acheived little in the past 8 years

The Taliban were able to fight off the USSR as they were funded/equiped/trained by the west. My fear is that if we pull out the country will revert to what it was under the taliban and the people will suffer. Altough the situation is bad now there is at least the prospect that we can force some sort of political peace. why? sorry to sound callus, but we don't help the 700 or so other nations who treat there people badly, look at Zimbabwe or Iran, they have awful regimes that are fowl to there people, we cant police the whole world, nor should we try to, what we SHOULD do is try to set a good example for them, its like with a child, you cant force them to be polite, but you can set a good example for them to follow, you see what I mean?

also, the Afghan government is corrupt and may have just rigged there elections, that's not that much better than the taliban, not to mention that even if it were to become a deomcracy, it may end up like Iran, what then? we gonna go back in there once more if they elect a government we or the americans dont approve of? 

 



I just started reading and knew this situation would arise, people lableing parties as scum and stuff, people are entitled to their opinion remember that. Wheather you agree with it or not its still there. This applies to all the parties, i have read the word scum applied to:

Labour
Tories
Lib Dem
BNP
Left Wing parties

So whoes left

Anyway,

my views

Pro Nuclear enegy
Pro Renewable energy

Anti inheritance tax
Anti MASS immigration


I disagree that immigration should be stopped as EU immigration is good for the country, anything more than that is un needed.

Also why can't people have peaceful demonstations? Its legal.



FootballFan said:
I just started reading and knew this situation would arise, people lableing parties as scum and stuff, people are entitled to their opinion remember that. Wheather you agree with it or not its still there. This applies to all the parties, i have read the word scum applied to:

Labour they are ino
Tories they are imo
Lib Dem okay, its probably fair to call me on that one, they dont quite deserve the title as much as the other 3 (yet), i still think they are annoying though
BNP not calling them scum is kinder than they deserve...
Left Wing parties good for slimebeast, he also implied i dont deserve to live in the UK cos i dont fit the BNP requirments of "britishness"

So whoes left Greens, Social Democratic, Moster Raving Loony, Liberal, Respect, more that i cant remember too, lol

Anyway,

my views

Pro Nuclear enegy
Pro Renewable energy

Anti inheritance tax why? its easy tax to use, takes money off dead people, so who cares, only affects you atm if you are very well off?
Anti MASS immigration then you don't have any problems, what's happening now is hardly "mass" unless you belive the spin of the right wing media that is...


I disagree that immigration should be stopped as EU immigration is good for the country, anything more than that is un needed.

Also why can't people have peaceful demonstations? Its legal. again, you'll have to ask slimebeast on that one, im all for demonstrations, in fact im considering going to one atm

 



I remember on the news a while ago that the BNP were peacefully protesting in the street. Then some anti BNP people started throw eggs and other random objects at them. The thing that worried me the most, was that most Labour/con/libdem politicians backed the anti BNP people. Anyone who uses/backs voilence against a peaceful protest is pretty disgusting in my opinion.

I aslo remember seeing an animal rights protest in Cambridge infront of a science lab that used animals for testing. On one side of the street about 100 animal rights protesters were calling for the lab to be closed. Then one guy turned up and stood on the opposite side of the street with a sign that said something like "support the science lab". The animal rights protesters immediately started shouting at him, saying they were going to kill him. I thought that was pretty ironic.



trashleg said:
Slimebeast said:

Highwaystar,

Plus the riots on those political meetings by nationals are always caused by communists and other socialist traitors accompanied by immigrants and foreigners who have the stomach to disturb democratic meetings in a country they shouldn't have been allowed entrance in the first place.

Disgusting people. The West is going down quickly.

i dont think this comment has any place here. this is your opinion, not fact. it makes sense that you would choose to vote for the BNP, from reading this closed-minded and racist piece-of-shit post.

Actually, that post reminded me of the end of the biycycle repairman sketch on Monty Python's Flying Circus. From about 2:20 onwards.

 

(Sorry in advance if the video offended you Slimebeast, it just reminded me of the sketch, that's all)