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highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
I would vote for the National party if I was British. You should be proud of your great nation and preserve it.

I take it you've never been to Britain and experienced the BNP then? They are an evil party full of the absolute epitome of human scum. A few weeks back they held a protest in my city which quickly escalated to a violent riot. These people do not represent the British in the slightest, they do not represent how the vast majority of us feel. They are not British to me.

There are much much better ways to preserve our nation that does not involve these assholes. The BNP wouldn't have a sodding clue how to preserve our nation.

In my opinion left wingers are even more scum since they don't protect their own citizens. I hate the 5th column.

Everyone trash talk the tiny Swedish National party here too (only 3% in elections). The political atmosphere here is horrible, you can not criticise immigration in Sweden without being labeled as a racist and the worst scum on earth.

U Brits are much like us Swedes, so Im sure u also have the dictatorship of the Politically correct.



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Highwaystar,

Plus the riots on those political meetings by nationals are always caused by communists and other socialist traitors accompanied by immigrants and foreigners who have the stomach to disturb democratic meetings in a country they shouldn't have been allowed entrance in the first place.

Disgusting people. The West is going down quickly.



Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
I would vote for the National party if I was British. You should be proud of your great nation and preserve it.

I take it you've never been to Britain and experienced the BNP then? They are an evil party full of the absolute epitome of human scum. A few weeks back they held a protest in my city which quickly escalated to a violent riot. These people do not represent the British in the slightest, they do not represent how the vast majority of us feel. They are not British to me.

There are much much better ways to preserve our nation that does not involve these assholes. The BNP wouldn't have a sodding clue how to preserve our nation.

In my opinion left wingers are even more scum since they don't protect their own citizens. I hate the 5th column.

Everyone trash talk the tiny Swedish National party here too (only 3% in elections). The political atmosphere here is horrible, you can not criticise immigration in Sweden without being labeled as a racist and the worst scum on earth.

U Brits are much like us Swedes, so Im sure u also have the dictatorship of the Politically correct.

I'm sorry, but I support protection of British citizens, what I don't support is the BNPs stance of protecting "white" British citizens, they have claimed numerous times that people who have a traceable non British background will be offered vast amounts of UK cash if they are repatriated to the country the came from. It's stupid, this is not protecting your citizens. Most people I know who are second or third generation British I would consider are more British than me.

Also, I'm not against criticising immigration, in fact I support somewhat tougher immigration laws. But the BNP are isolationist in the immigration laws, they want nobody in, it doesn't make sense. That's not how you run a countries immigration system at all.

Oh and by the way, BNP have A LOT of socialist policies y'know.



The Fury said:
Kasz216 said:

No.  4,000 is the expected deaths total.

5,000 total deaths are supposed to be caused indirectly.


54 is how many total deaths there have been so far.

All an all it's a very tame disaster.   It's going to kill around 9,000 people worst case scenario... and the VAST majority is going to be over 20 years later.

Also there hasn't been too much damage to the animals.  If you look at the study i posted, the animals who lioved right near the zone have no genetic damage.  Despite living their entire lives there.

Confused slightly, are you saying 4,000 total or 5,000 total? Either way, from the incident itself and since only 54 people may have died. But radiation and other effect will cause other deaths, yes, they might be a long way down the line but never call it a 'tame disaster', jsut a long drawn out distaster.

Although I'm also confused as to how you can put the word 'tame' to the word disaster, any distaster is anything but tame, especially for the people involved.

 

@slimebeast

the BNP are not the National Party, they are a racist party.

9,000 total.

54 deaths total so far.

A maximium worst case scenario of 4,000 deaths caused by cancer... (though they've later said this number is likely too high due to Russia's just poor healthcre in general.)

and a maximium worst case scenario of 5,000 deaths caused by complications, panic, etc.

 

How can I call it tame?  It's been 20 years, and 54 people have died.  Even if the absolute worst case maximiums end up being the case...

Most of those are going to be on the very tale end of life, people dieing a few years early.  The psychological effects from people overreacting likely did more damage then the actual radiation leak. (Actually what the UN scientists said... and where that additional 5,000 estimate comes from.)

 

Compare it to something like 9/11 where 3,000 people died like, right away.   3,000 people dieng right away is worse then 54 people dieing... then up to 9,000 dieing 20+ years later.

 

 



highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:
Slimebeast said:
I would vote for the National party if I was British. You should be proud of your great nation and preserve it.

I take it you've never been to Britain and experienced the BNP then? They are an evil party full of the absolute epitome of human scum. A few weeks back they held a protest in my city which quickly escalated to a violent riot. These people do not represent the British in the slightest, they do not represent how the vast majority of us feel. They are not British to me.

There are much much better ways to preserve our nation that does not involve these assholes. The BNP wouldn't have a sodding clue how to preserve our nation.

In my opinion left wingers are even more scum since they don't protect their own citizens. I hate the 5th column.

Everyone trash talk the tiny Swedish National party here too (only 3% in elections). The political atmosphere here is horrible, you can not criticise immigration in Sweden without being labeled as a racist and the worst scum on earth.

U Brits are much like us Swedes, so Im sure u also have the dictatorship of the Politically correct.

I'm sorry, but I support protection of British citizens, what I don't support is the BNPs stance of protecting "white" British citizens, they have claimed numerous times that people who have a traceable non British background will be offered vast amounts of UK cash if they are repatriated to the country the came from. It's stupid, this is not protecting your citizens. Most people I know who are second or third generation British I would consider are more British than me.

Also, I'm not against criticising immigration, in fact I support somewhat tougher immigration laws. But the BNP are isolationist in the immigration laws, they want nobody in, it doesn't make sense. That's not how you run a countries immigration system at all.

Oh and by the way, BNP have A LOT of socialist policies y'know.

The BNP are xenophobic and hateful scum, they would not only evict many people, but on top of that, would close the borders, the effect on the cultural diversity and economy of the UK would be disasterous, we rely on trade and immigration from other nations heavily, without either, we would have problems, without both, our economy would quite possibly collapse.

I have plenty of friends who don't fit the BNP definition of citizens: white, english, christian, anglo saxon

in fact, as im 1/4 Irish, they would probably evict me too, im curious Slimebeast, why do you hate me and my friends for living here when we are not pure white christian anglo saxon english people?



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okay, two news stories I want to bring up for today:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8270772.stm

^the government is introducing a broadband tax of 50p a month for fixed phone lines

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8270320.stm

^the government has "clarified" the law on assisted suicide

this one, I want to focus on for now, what confuses me, is why its legal for them to go overseas and do it, but its not legal here? surely with the guidelines they have already suggested in place, it may as well be legal her, which would be better as it would save people loads of money, especially if it was on the NHS

guidelines they issued: (from the BBC article above)


Whether a person stands to benefit financially from assisting a suicide or if they were acting out of compassion
If the individual wanting to die was deemed competent enough and had a "clear and settled" wish to make such a decision. Particular attention would paid to issues such as being under 18, and having a mental illness
Whether the person was persuaded or pressured into committing suicide, or if it was their own decision




It's too early to decide yet, I'll wait to hear what comes out from the remaining party conferences as well as the manifestos closer to election time. I'm not really keen on any of the  parties will go with who ever comes closest to my views.

Pro-European

Pro-Nuclear Energy

Pro-Electoral Reform (elected House of Lords, proportional representation)

I would like to see tution fees scrapped but entry requiremnts significantly raised so that university becomes a career choice again rather than a lifestyle choice (and pointless courses should be dropped).

Not too sure where I stand on taxation but I like the idea Kowenicki suggested about reducing income tax and rasing VAT.

Not sure about the war either. I don't think us leaving will be good for Afghanistan but I'm not sure us staying is going to resolve the situation anytime soon.



CrazyHorse said:

It's too early to decide yet, I'll wait to hear what comes out from the remaining party conferences as well as the manifestos closer to election time. I'm not really keen on any of the  parties will go with who ever comes closest to my views.

Pro-European

Pro-Nuclear Energy

Pro-Electoral Reform (elected House of Lords, proportional representation)

I would like to see tution fees scrapped but entry requiremnts significantly raised so that university becomes a career choice again rather than a lifestyle choice (and pointless courses should be dropped).

Not too sure where I stand on taxation but I like the idea Kowenicki suggested about reducing income tax and rasing VAT.

Not sure about the war either. I don't think us leaving will be good for Afghanistan but I'm not sure us staying is going to resolve the situation anytime soon.

if those people have the means to pay for them, why shouldn't they be entitled to go learn about what they're interested in? it may be "pointless" to you, and i agree there are some courses i would regerd as important as others but if there wasn't demand for them tehy wouldn't be running.

also, to the guy who was saying about the 54 deaths turning into 9000 deaths. it isnt just about a generation or 2 later there's a cancer incidence, what happened may well have caused massive genetic mutations that will manifest themselves in gerenation upon generation to come, maybe for a very long time. :/

 

edited for massive typos



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
Slimebeast said:

Highwaystar,

Plus the riots on those political meetings by nationals are always caused by communists and other socialist traitors accompanied by immigrants and foreigners who have the stomach to disturb democratic meetings in a country they shouldn't have been allowed entrance in the first place.

Disgusting people. The West is going down quickly.

i dont think this comment has any place here. this is your opinion, not fact. it makes sense that you would choose to vote for the BNP, from reading this closed-minded and racist piece-of-shit post.



Highwaystar101 said: trashleg said that if I didn't pay back the money she leant me, she would come round and break my legs... That's why people call her trashleg, because she trashes the legs of the people she loan sharks money to.
CrazyHorse said:

It's too early to decide yet, I'll wait to hear what comes out from the remaining party conferences as well as the manifestos closer to election time. I'm not really keen on any of the  parties will go with who ever comes closest to my views.

Pro-European

Pro-Nuclear Energy

Pro-Electoral Reform (elected House of Lords, proportional representation)

I would like to see tution fees scrapped but entry requiremnts significantly raised so that university becomes a career choice again rather than a lifestyle choice (and pointless courses should be dropped).

Not too sure where I stand on taxation but I like the idea Kowenicki suggested about reducing income tax and rasing VAT.

Not sure about the war either. I don't think us leaving will be good for Afghanistan but I'm not sure us staying is going to resolve the situation anytime soon.

oh cool, another pro-Europe brit, there are way too few of us

electoral reform im in favour of too

still a little suspect on nuclear myself

tuition fees should be scrapped on principle that education should be free to access for all imo (or at the very least, there should be a free option when it comes to education at any level), I agree some course's need to go (pointless ones), however, I think education is great, people should do it if they want too, raising entry standards a little maybe, but not so much as to stop people like me going (im good at stuff, just not great at exams, don't see why that should stop me learning more though)

taxes I don't know too much about, but should be covered on my politics course (doing at the moment)

war in Afghanistan seems pointless to me, we cant afford it for a start, it doesn't serve our interests so far as i can tell either, taliban fought off the empire and the USSR, both had more resources than Nato, Afghanistan government is one of the worst there is, no way should we be propping them up, this is not to mention the fact we seem to have acheived little in the past 8 years