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@Dodece: Consider that the Xbox 360 sold as many consoles during Oct-Dec 07 (which isn't even over yet) as they sold during the entire rest of the year. Consider that the PS3 did the same thing, and consider that the only reason the Wii didn't is because it was supply constrained. The holiday season is not an unreasonable indicator of platform performance. If this were just a little one-week spike that didn't contribute a significant portion of total sales, you'd be right -- but holiday sales account for HALF of total sales.



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This thread smells strange. It's like a bizarre combination of denial and pwnage.



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Dodece said:
I deem this thread necromanced not once but twice. I truly hope it gets necromanced a dozen times in the future. I would say the question is hardly relevant during the holiday sales period, because as anyone can tell you purchasing patterns are in no way shape or form average. Further more last weeks sales simulate a spike rather then a consistent pattern. Please resurrect this thread during a normal week rather then a atypical one. Otherwise it looks like a manipulation.

Not playing favorites here. I wouldn't think the question would be relevant during any of the other triggered spikes that has happened through this year. When Sony cut their prices, when Microsoft cut their prices, When Halo 3 was launched, or When Hot Shots Golf was launched in Japan. You need an average week to get an average impression.
 

So let me get this straight; when either the 360 (with Halo 3) or the PS3 (with price drop, new color and DW6 in Japan) have spikes that are not average then it is relevant to ask whether Nintendomination is at an end but when Nintendomination resumes when ALL 3 have got their best sales of the year then it magically is not relevant because the spikes are not average. Biased much are you?

This is especially true when your explaining post in the first page says:

"The question is will Nintendo have that kind of domination again. Which is hard to imagine given the current numbers. They did not dominate this week, and they have not had that kind of obscene domination for a few weeks for example in North America. They have not run riot."

Well, Holiday sales or not Nintendo did dominate last week so we did see Nintendomination again so your prediction that we wouldn't failed.  

if I was you I wouldn't pin my hopes too much on this not happening quite often this year as last year the PS3+360 sold on average 1.3 millions consoles a months so they would need a 36-40% sales increase or for the Wii's sales to drop significantly to sell combined more than the Wii potentially can (1.8 millions a months produced and still sold out in a major market, possibly 2 if the japanese spike keeps high enough after the January holiday sales). Even if it dies out sometime on 08 Nintendomination will make a comeback for a good part of the year.

Also, there is too much crow to be dished out for it not to get necromanced quite a few times in the future. For example do you still think people are going to be surprised when Wii Fit doesn't sell a million? For reference your words were:

"You know some people are going to be real shocked when Wii fit does not sell a million copies. "

It is almost three quarters there in Japan alone and with monstrous legs so 1 million is gonna be a cinch (we can always necro it in 2-3 weeks if you prefer your crow to be served then).

BTW, Where is Leo-J since that thread was necroed? Because he sure ain't gonna starve in 2008.



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The sheer amount of posts in here are testimony to how touchy this subject is on Vgchartz. I won't touch this with a 10' pole (allthough I kinda already did. Just a poke, mind you!).



This thread will someday obtain the rank of cult classic in these forums. Every time Nintendo has a fantastic week this thread is resurrected from the nether world to walk among the living. Which quite frankly I don't mind a bit. I think its rather a shame however that only the Nintendo lieutenants resurrect this thread.

Since this thread was written Nintendo's ungodly market domination has flagged on some occasions, and outright failed on others. To be as blunt as possible the sales are not necessarily consistent. The question was never winning, but winning by how much.

For instance during the previous week. The Wii did not double over the sales of any competitor they did not accomplish a multiple. Which is required for Nintendomination to occur. They didn't even control over forty percent of the market. That is hardly the sales we come to expect from the Nintendo Wii. During that week the Wii couldn't even pull off a three to one advantage over the PS3 in Japan.

Interestingly enough this thread never gets resurrected when Nintendo has one of those off weeks when Nintendomination is nowhere to be found, but it does show up when Nintendo has a singular incredible week. So the question is this why didn't the PS3 loyalists or the 360 loyalists resurrect this thread during that week? The only answer is they are reasonable, or perhaps have greater class.

Anyway this thread is only cherry picked for the best possible Nintendo week rather then a average normal week. While some cite stockpiling as an excuse. Thats a flaw of the Wii as much as the 360s technical issues, or the PS3 being overly expensive. You can What if the scenarios all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that Nintendomination has already flagged on multiple occasions the first being the reason this thread was written. You can spin the numbers all you like, but the fact that you do not summon this thread on bad Nintendo weeks is just a proof that you know your wrong.



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Sri Lumpa said:
Dodece said:
I deem this thread necromanced not once but twice. I truly hope it gets necromanced a dozen times in the future. I would say the question is hardly relevant during the holiday sales period, because as anyone can tell you purchasing patterns are in no way shape or form average. Further more last weeks sales simulate a spike rather then a consistent pattern. Please resurrect this thread during a normal week rather then a atypical one. Otherwise it looks like a manipulation.

Not playing favorites here. I wouldn't think the question would be relevant during any of the other triggered spikes that has happened through this year. When Sony cut their prices, when Microsoft cut their prices, When Halo 3 was launched, or When Hot Shots Golf was launched in Japan. You need an average week to get an average impression.

So let me get this straight; when either the 360 (with Halo 3) or the PS3 (with price drop, new color and DW6 in Japan) have spikes that are not average then it is relevant to ask whether Nintendomination is at an end but when Nintendomination resumes when ALL 3 have got their best sales of the year then it magically is not relevant because the spikes are not average. Biased much are you?

This is especially true when your explaining post in the first page says:

"The question is will Nintendo have that kind of domination again. Which is hard to imagine given the current numbers. They did not dominate this week, and they have not had that kind of obscene domination for a few weeks for example in North America. They have not run riot."

Well, Holiday sales or not Nintendo did dominate last week so we did see Nintendomination again so your prediction that we wouldn't failed.

if I was you I wouldn't pin my hopes too much on this not happening quite often this year as last year the PS3+360 sold on average 1.3 millions consoles a months so they would need a 36-40% sales increase or for the Wii's sales to drop significantly to sell combined more than the Wii potentially can (1.8 millions a months produced and still sold out in a major market, possibly 2 if the japanese spike keeps high enough after the January holiday sales). Even if it dies out sometime on 08 Nintendomination will make a comeback for a good part of the year.

Also, there is too much crow to be dished out for it not to get necromanced quite a few times in the future. For example do you still think people are going to be surprised when Wii Fit doesn't sell a million? For reference your words were:

"You know some people are going to be real shocked when Wii fit does not sell a million copies. "

It is almost three quarters there in Japan alone and with monstrous legs so 1 million is gonna be a cinch (we can always necro it in 2-3 weeks if you prefer your crow to be served then).

BTW, Where is Leo-J since that thread was necroed? Because he sure ain't gonna starve in 2008.


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Dodece said:
This thread will someday obtain the rank of cult classic in these forums. Every time Nintendo has a fantastic week this thread is resurrected from the nether world to walk among the living. Which quite frankly I don't mind a bit. I think its rather a shame however that only the Nintendo lieutenants resurrect this thread.

Since this thread was written Nintendo's ungodly market domination has flagged on some occasions, and outright failed on others. To be as blunt as possible the sales are not necessarily consistent. The question was never winning, but winning by how much.

For instance during the previous week. The Wii did not double over the sales of any competitor they did not accomplish a multiple. Which is required for Nintendomination to occur. They didn't even control over forty percent of the market. That is hardly the sales we come to expect from the Nintendo Wii. During that week the Wii couldn't even pull off a three to one advantage over the PS3 in Japan.

Interestingly enough this thread never gets resurrected when Nintendo has one of those off weeks when Nintendomination is nowhere to be found, but it does show up when Nintendo has a singular incredible week. So the question is this why didn't the PS3 loyalists or the 360 loyalists resurrect this thread during that week? The only answer is they are reasonable, or perhaps have greater class.

Anyway this thread is only cherry picked for the best possible Nintendo week rather then a average normal week. While some cite stockpiling as an excuse. Thats a flaw of the Wii as much as the 360s technical issues, or the PS3 being overly expensive. You can What if the scenarios all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that Nintendomination has already flagged on multiple occasions the first being the reason this thread was written. You can spin the numbers all you like, but the fact that you do not summon this thread on bad Nintendo weeks is just a proof that you know your wrong.

 wasn't Sqrl's post not enough? Unless you don't know what a mean and median means?



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Sqrls own post verifies what I am saying. During the last period of October through December the Wii did not outsell either console by a multiple. In other words Nintendo did not fulfill the requirement for Nintendomination a victory by multiple. Which I stated clearly, and clarified on the first page of this thread. I am right the numbers bear me out.

360/Wii 1/1.67
PS3/Wii 1/1.78
PS3+360/Wii 1/.86

Nintendo did not outsell any console by a multiple margin Nintendo couldn't accomplish a 2 to 1 margin in sales against either competitor. Nintendo did not outsell the competition combined. Holding only 46% of the console market. This is why working off the last week is hardly representative.

I advise anyone who thinks I am wrong to take the time, and really read what I posted on the first page of this thread. Then draw a rational conclusion based on the facts presented.



Dodece said:
Nintendomination is not the same as winning. Nintendomination refers to extraordinary domination. Such as outselling the competition by four hundred percent. Which Nintendo has been doing to Sony in Japan, or outselling the 360 by over two hundred percent in North America which Nintendo has done. That is what Nintendomination means.

Nice to see the Fanboys on these forums can jump to extraordinary conclusions. The question is will Nintendo have that kind of domination again. Which is hard to imagine given the current numbers. They did not dominate this week, and they have not had that kind of obscene domination for a few weeks for example in North America. They have not run riot.

The question is whether Nintendomination will continue. Not whether Nintendo will win or lose. Hell its not even a question of whether Nintendo will not have a reasonable margin its about the obscene dominance that has charactarized the sales of the Wii.


 Quoted for last page reference. I doubt my fellow posters are even bothering to check the front page of this thread at this point. Instead choosing, or being too lazy to go beyond the threads title.



I would say that outselling both of your rivals combined with more than a 200k margin, breaking many records along the way, during the biggest week before christmas is pretty much domination. Quite absurd to think that any console could outsell other ones by more than 2:1 during christmas, especially when it's only the second christmas for these consoles (3 for xbox). You want total domination during christmas? Wait till next christmas or the one after that, then we shall have a true domination of any of the stated consoles.



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