That's not true. While you know I greatly dislike Israel, I do not hate Jews or Israelis at all. That would be the same for the greater majority of people out there who could be classified as anti-Israel (obviously not kkk or mel). We hate Israeli policies and US stubborness to be so blatantly biased in support of these illegal actions.

That's great.  However you do hate the government and their decisions... like you said... and they're Israel.

Hell when people say they hate Cuba they don't mean the Cubans.  They mean the Cuban "President."

Manus point was that maybe anti-semites made up a large part of that 7% since a lot of them were republicans, ignorant to the fact that the 7% were Democrats only and that the Republican number was 1%.

10 times as many Democrats see Israel as an enemy then Republicans... despite the fact that Anti-semites are presumibly republican.

It's because liberals are more likely to see Israel - and especially Israels current conservative government - as the cause of quite a few problems in the middle east.

I don't hate Israel, however I would consider their current government an enemy in the sense that they are an obstruction to the process of peace. (ie. not as a military enemy, but as a diplomatic obstruction).

Many people in this thread seem not to realize that Israel is not the same as Jews in general, even if it is a Jewish state.  There is a common fallacy that disagreeing with Israel's policies is being anti-Semitic.

Which is something Avinish disagrees with.  He doesn't think Liberals are the ones who see Israel are the enemy of the United States.

Which is my point.  You hate their government.

Personally I kinda think Israel is solving more problems then it's causing.  Right now the rest of the middle east is united.  In hating Israel.

If they ever got rid of Israel, or stopped having that hatred to bring them together... things could get quite destablized.

I can't believe how many responses one professor shooting the shit on a completely hypothetical situation has garnered. I guess it's good that people are engaged and interested, but in the real world, Israel is assuring Russia that they will not attack Iran, even if it continues to enrich uranium:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6841728.ece

It's extremely rare for Israel to take a military option off the table like this. I think they're being crafty and looking as harmless as they can so the ruling theocracy in Iran can't use them as an external threat to rally the Iranian public and thwart the ongoing revolution.

Kasz is ignorant to the fact that not all Democrats are liberal, which is contrary to his attempt to paint Liberals as haters of Israel.  In fact, a very large proportion of Democrats are conservative.  Take West Virginia for example, its a very strong Democratic state (including Senator Byrd who was a member of the KKK), but it is an easy victory for Republican presidential candidates because of the states conservative status and percieved liberal leanings of the national Democratic Party (or the color of its candidate).

That is a REALLY stupid argument.

You are argueing that the 50.4 million democrats who see Israel as an enemy are mostly from the south and anti semites....

DESPITE the fact that the Republicans who draw much more from the south only have 5.5 Million people who see Israel as the enemy.

So... anti-semitic southerners are mostly democrats in your opinion?  In general Anti-semetic conservative people are more likely to be democrats then republicans?

If your supposition were true more Republicans then democrats would see Israel as the enemy since more Republicans are conservative then Democrats.

If manipulating public opinion is all they needed to get done I'm sure they would have done it before.  We've seen multiple times in history (just recently in America) how easy it is to manipulate public opinion.  All you need is something to scare them and they will sway with the wind.  There's a reason the founding fathers of America did not look so high upon public opinion.

My standpoint on Israel is pretty easy.  They are going to do whatever it takes to protect themselves and their interests... mainly being the dominant military power in the region.  So I'm pretty sure an Iranian nuclear buildup infringes upon that and I would expect them to take actions to prevent it. Either way America's standpoint should be, and from the beginning should have been, to stay neutral and be a peacemaker in the situation.  It's not our battle and by taking sides we only serve to put fuel into the fire.  We've seen how well playing the man pulling the strings has worked in Africa, South America, and of course the Middle East.  Nothing good has come of it. 

And this one is a logically failed argument.  He never once stated that the 50.4 million democrats who see Israel as the enemy are from the south.  Actually all he did was take an example from West Virgina without even a clarification that this was going to end up being a representation of the south (if he did it would have been a hasty generalization).  Thus your argument is a straw man argument.  It was a complete misrepresentation of what he stated and has no logical founding in the discussion.  So considering the rest of your argument is based off that failed logic, this does not make logical sense and should be discarded as such.

People if you are going to argue and have the nerve to call someone else on an argument, you better hope you argument can stand up to logical critique.  YOURS doesn't.  Therefore your first line now serves to be a logical contradiction.  As you state his argument to be stupid based on not having logic and then present a nonlogical argument yourself.  It's a logical contradiction as something can't both be the case and not the case in the same respect at the same time.

I forewarned earlier that I deleted a post stating that someone in here had really been serving to stir up my pot by continuously posting things that didn't make logical sense.   Guess what... that was you.  Give or take Manus's argument wasn't logically sound... but seeing as that's the case you shouldn't have responded to the argument in the first place. 

Manus does make a good point.  Not all democrats are liberals and not all republicans are conservatives.  This black and white perception of ideologies and parties is a media construed polarization that only seeks to divide a country.  You also make a good point earlier on in this thread that simply denoting Israel as an absolute enemy is just as extreme as denoting the other Middle Eastern countries as an extreme.  Instead of accusing each other of being both extremes, how about you work within to discuss the gray areas and discuss this in a civilized manner.  Trust me, it'll help the logical fallacies part a lot.