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Zucas on 21 September 2009
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Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:
Kasz216 said:

Manus point was that maybe anti-semites made up a large part of that 7% since a lot of them were republicans, ignorant to the fact that the 7% were Democrats only and that the Republican number was 1%.

Kasz is ignorant to the fact that not all Democrats are liberal, which is contrary to his attempt to paint Liberals as haters of Israel.  In fact, a very large proportion of Democrats are conservative.  Take West Virginia for example, its a very strong Democratic state (including Senator Byrd who was a member of the KKK), but it is an easy victory for Republican presidential candidates because of the states conservative status and percieved liberal leanings of the national Democratic Party (or the color of its candidate).

That is a REALLY stupid argument.

You are argueing that the 50.4 million democrats who see Israel as an enemy are mostly from the south and anti semites....

DESPITE the fact that the Republicans who draw much more from the south only have 5.5 Million people who see Israel as the enemy.


So... anti-semitic southerners are mostly democrats in your opinion?  In general Anti-semetic conservative people are more likely to be democrats then republicans?

If your supposition were true more Republicans then democrats would see Israel as the enemy since more Republicans are conservative then Democrats.

 

And this one is a logically failed argument.  He never once stated that the 50.4 million democrats who see Israel as the enemy are from the south.  Actually all he did was take an example from West Virgina without even a clarification that this was going to end up being a representation of the south (if he did it would have been a hasty generalization).  Thus your argument is a straw man argument.  It was a complete misrepresentation of what he stated and has no logical founding in the discussion.  So considering the rest of your argument is based off that failed logic, this does not make logical sense and should be discarded as such.

People if you are going to argue and have the nerve to call someone else on an argument, you better hope you argument can stand up to logical critique.  YOURS doesn't.  Therefore your first line now serves to be a logical contradiction.  As you state his argument to be stupid based on not having logic and then present a nonlogical argument yourself.  It's a logical contradiction as something can't both be the case and not the case in the same respect at the same time.

I forewarned earlier that I deleted a post stating that someone in here had really been serving to stir up my pot by continuously posting things that didn't make logical sense.   Guess what... that was you.  Give or take Manus's argument wasn't logically sound... but seeing as that's the case you shouldn't have responded to the argument in the first place. 

 

Manus does make a good point.  Not all democrats are liberals and not all republicans are conservatives.  This black and white perception of ideologies and parties is a media construed polarization that only seeks to divide a country.  You also make a good point earlier on in this thread that simply denoting Israel as an absolute enemy is just as extreme as denoting the other Middle Eastern countries as an extreme.  Instead of accusing each other of being both extremes, how about you work within to discuss the gray areas and discuss this in a civilized manner.  Trust me, it'll help the logical fallacies part a lot.