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Khuutra said:
MontanaHatchet said:
We must destroy the industry...to save the industry.

In this case, when Maelstrom says "Industry" he is referring to the collectivie corporate bodies that seek to take away consumer rights to software, forcibly shift focuses in development, and try to forc the consumer to pay more for content that they would have gotten anyway in earlier generations.

He wants that mentality to die so we can jsut have the games, and wants corporations to remember that they serve the consumer, not the other way around.

This almost sounds like a rant about the government. Admittedly, gaming companies have gotten worse this generation. On the other hand, changing that requires a more deft touch than breaking down all the companies and destroying the entire industry solely because of some annoying policy decisions. It's clear that even a small amount of fame has made Malstrom very radical and egotistical, even more so than before.



 

 

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Khuutra said:
MontanaHatchet said:
We must destroy the industry...to save the industry.

In this case, when Maelstrom says "Industry" he is referring to the collectivie corporate bodies that seek to take away consumer rights to software, forcibly shift focuses in development, and try to forc the consumer to pay more for content that they would have gotten anyway in earlier generations.

He wants that mentality to die so we can jsut have the games, and wants corporations to remember that they serve the consumer, not the other way around.


Mr Montanna I usually agree with ur infinite pool of wisdom but you just cant beat that ^. This kinda behavior is displayed by developers all the time and its gotten terrible this gen..when developers outright publicly do it

SmokedHostage said:
MontanaHatchet said:
We must destroy the industry...to save the industry.


We must destroy the industry.. to save gaming as an entertainment medium sees more accurate.

Please don't tell me you actually believe that.



 

 

Slimebeast said:
Alterego-X said:
Slimebeast said:

"Viral messengers, posing as ‘gamers’, are polluting message forums and comments from various websites in the shape to ‘change public opinion’. Anyone who deserves a place in Dante’s Inferno would be computer virus makers and viral marketers posing as regular people. I want viral messengers *gone*."

Where does he get this from? I think he's overexaggerating this a lot. I've never met a viral marketer disguised as a gamer.

Obviouly, since they were... you know... disguised.  :P

 

I'm not sure if he is right, but he already wrote his theory a few times, that big companies actually pay for people to artifically generate hype.

U got good detection skills. ;)

Can u link to one of such articel about virals in distguise, the evidence? I think it's just a conspiracy theory, Malmostrom seems to think a lot in those ways, seeing demons everywhere.

I seem to remember one being outed and banned right here on VGC.  I think it was quite some time ago though, maybe a year or two.



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MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:

In this case, when Maelstrom says "Industry" he is referring to the collectivie corporate bodies that seek to take away consumer rights to software, forcibly shift focuses in development, and try to forc the consumer to pay more for content that they would have gotten anyway in earlier generations.

He wants that mentality to die so we can jsut have the games, and wants corporations to remember that they serve the consumer, not the other way around.

This almost sounds like a rant about the government. Admittedly, gaming companies have gotten worse this generation. On the other hand, changing that requires a more deft touch than breaking down all the companies and destroying the entire industry solely because of some annoying policy decisions. It's clear that even a small amount of fame has made Malstrom very radical and egotistical, even more so than before.

I grant that he is egotistical, but given that he defines the "industry" as a mindset I do not think the suggestion is that radical.

The fact that gaming companies have gotten worse and need to go back to the way it was before is the heart of what he's saying. As sour as it may be in your mouth, you actually agree with him.



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Slimebeast said:

"Viral messengers, posing as ‘gamers’, are polluting message forums and comments from various websites in the shape to ‘change public opinion’. Anyone who deserves a place in Dante’s Inferno would be computer virus makers and viral marketers posing as regular people. I want viral messengers *gone*."

Where does he get this from? I think he's overexaggerating this a lot. I've never met a viral marketer disguised as a gamer.

There have been reports of stealth marketers seeded in message boards by EGM and Penny Arcade. I made a whole thread quoting them:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=74516&page=1



Khuutra said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:

In this case, when Maelstrom says "Industry" he is referring to the collectivie corporate bodies that seek to take away consumer rights to software, forcibly shift focuses in development, and try to forc the consumer to pay more for content that they would have gotten anyway in earlier generations.

He wants that mentality to die so we can jsut have the games, and wants corporations to remember that they serve the consumer, not the other way around.

This almost sounds like a rant about the government. Admittedly, gaming companies have gotten worse this generation. On the other hand, changing that requires a more deft touch than breaking down all the companies and destroying the entire industry solely because of some annoying policy decisions. It's clear that even a small amount of fame has made Malstrom very radical and egotistical, even more so than before.

I grant that he is egotistical, but given that he defines the "industry" as a mindset I do not think the suggestion is that radical.

The fact that gaming companies have gotten worse and need to go back to the way it was before is the heart of what he's saying. As sour as it may be in your mouth, you actually agree with him.

If he's saying that he wants the industry to die as a mindset, that's fine. However, I'd rather not see thousands of people lose their jobs. From what I read, it sounded like he was describing that the industry should fall, which I just don't want. I agree with him on some points, but we differ on many. Had Nintendo not intervened, the practices Malstrom describes might have led to the destruction of the industry. But really, the next generation should be great. As the economy improves and developers move towards cheaper development (the current development model can't be sustained), they won't need to use these measures. They're not going after used game sales and selling limited edition copies because they hate the consumer or want to rip us off, it's just because they need the money. They're not greedy, they're just struggling.

I've never liked Malstrom for his arrogant attitude, and it's actually funny to see how bad it's gotten.



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:

I grant that he is egotistical, but given that he defines the "industry" as a mindset I do not think the suggestion is that radical.

The fact that gaming companies have gotten worse and need to go back to the way it was before is the heart of what he's saying. As sour as it may be in your mouth, you actually agree with him.

If he's saying that he wants the industry to die as a mindset, that's fine. However, I'd rather not see thousands of people lose their jobs. From what I read, it sounded like he was describing that the industry should fall, which I just don't want. I agree with him on some points, but we differ on many. Had Nintendo not intervened, the practices Malstrom describes might have led to the destruction of the industry. But really, the next generation should be great. As the economy improves and developers move towards cheaper development (the current development model can't be sustained), they won't need to use these measures. They're not going after used game sales and selling limited edition copies because they hate the consumer or want to rip us off, it's just because they need the money. They're not greedy, they're just struggling.

I've never liked Malstrom for his arrogant attitude, and it's actually funny to see how bad it's gotten.

You need to read the whole thing. Part of what he dislikes about the industry is that it's so easy for people to lose their jobs, because there is an artificial turnover rate created whenever people try to buck trends and create somethign that's actually new. It's like the heead of Activision said vis-a-vis taking the fu out of making games: Maelstrom detests that mindset.

Maelstrom would argue that a large part of their struggles is because they are greedy, and consumers are rejecting their valuee propositions over and over.

He may be arrogant, but that does not change the core of what he's saying.



MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:

In this case, when Maelstrom says "Industry" he is referring to the collectivie corporate bodies that seek to take away consumer rights to software, forcibly shift focuses in development, and try to forc the consumer to pay more for content that they would have gotten anyway in earlier generations.

He wants that mentality to die so we can jsut have the games, and wants corporations to remember that they serve the consumer, not the other way around.

This almost sounds like a rant about the government. Admittedly, gaming companies have gotten worse this generation. On the other hand, changing that requires a more deft touch than breaking down all the companies and destroying the entire industry solely because of some annoying policy decisions. It's clear that even a small amount of fame has made Malstrom very radical and egotistical, even more so than before.

I grant that he is egotistical, but given that he defines the "industry" as a mindset I do not think the suggestion is that radical.

The fact that gaming companies have gotten worse and need to go back to the way it was before is the heart of what he's saying. As sour as it may be in your mouth, you actually agree with him.

If he's saying that he wants the industry to die as a mindset, that's fine. However, I'd rather not see thousands of people lose their jobs. From what I read, it sounded like he was describing that the industry should fall, which I just don't want. I agree with him on some points, but we differ on many. Had Nintendo not intervened, the practices Malstrom describes might have led to the destruction of the industry. But really, the next generation should be great. As the economy improves and developers move towards cheaper development (the current development model can't be sustained), they won't need to use these measures. They're not going after used game sales and selling limited edition copies because they hate the consumer or want to rip us off, it's just because they need the money. They're not greedy, they're just struggling.

I've never liked Malstrom for his arrogant attitude, and it's actually funny to see how bad it's gotten.

Do you think your personal feelings against him (though to be fair he is some random dude on the net stating his opinion) make you a little biased against his actuall message? Though he is a  bit egotistical, a lot of what he says is very logical. This guy has puts into words , what i and probably many gamers have felt the last few years about the game industry, thus the growth of readers on his site. Something must be attratcing all those readers! It does not matter whether he is getting as many readers as VGchartz or some other popular website, what matters is that his readerbase is growing and a lot of people are finding his opinions match theirs!

Also what i find are the people who disagree with him the most are the people who just dislike hime purely for the way he writes. At the end of the day its the message he is trying to convey, it is either you agree with it or not!



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Khuutra said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Khuutra said:

I grant that he is egotistical, but given that he defines the "industry" as a mindset I do not think the suggestion is that radical.

The fact that gaming companies have gotten worse and need to go back to the way it was before is the heart of what he's saying. As sour as it may be in your mouth, you actually agree with him.

If he's saying that he wants the industry to die as a mindset, that's fine. However, I'd rather not see thousands of people lose their jobs. From what I read, it sounded like he was describing that the industry should fall, which I just don't want. I agree with him on some points, but we differ on many. Had Nintendo not intervened, the practices Malstrom describes might have led to the destruction of the industry. But really, the next generation should be great. As the economy improves and developers move towards cheaper development (the current development model can't be sustained), they won't need to use these measures. They're not going after used game sales and selling limited edition copies because they hate the consumer or want to rip us off, it's just because they need the money. They're not greedy, they're just struggling.

I've never liked Malstrom for his arrogant attitude, and it's actually funny to see how bad it's gotten.

You need to read the whole thing. Part of what he dislikes about the industry is that it's so easy for people to lose their jobs, because there is an artificial turnover rate created whenever people try to buck trends and create somethign that's actually new. It's like the heead of Activision said vis-a-vis taking the fu out of making games: Maelstrom detests that mindset.

Maelstrom would argue that a large part of their struggles is because they are greedy, and consumers are rejecting their valuee propositions over and over.

He may be arrogant, but that does not change the core of what he's saying.

I did read that part. He says that people lose their jobs because young employees enter the workforce and replace them. That's normal for any industry. I have no idea what you just said about Activision, but I'm sure he detests a lot of things. He can call the industry greedy, but then you'd have to wonder if what he says is largely true. If developers mainly cared about the money, would there be a stream of great games like the ones we're seeing today? There's always going to be a lot of games that are ripoffs or games that don't provide a lot of value or games that are just like every other one out there, that's not exclusive to this generation. In fact, it was actually pretty common in the older generations, or those good old says.