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 This was posted over at Gametrailers and i thought i would share it with you guys.  It talks about how the HD-DVD fomat is too small to fit the sound for Tranformers on the disc.

  

When audio specs for 'Transformers' were announced, there was a collective sigh of disappointment from early adopters when we learned that there would be no high-res audio tracks included on this disc. Given that this is such a flagship title for the studio, the decision was quite the head-scratcher.

Indeed, I had the opportunity to attend a special 'Transformers' media event with Paramount late last week, and the question was asked almost immediately -- why no Dolby TrueHD or uncompressed PCM? The studio's answer was that due to space limitations on the disc, the decision was made to limit the audio to Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround only (here at 1.5mbps). Unfortunately, this confirms the long-held theory that the 30Gb capacity of an HD-30 dual-layer HD DVD disc has forced studios to choose between offering a robust supplements package (as they've done here) and the very best in audio quality.

That said, it is hard to imagine any film taking a Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 Surround track to its zenith better than 'Transformers.' This is one highly-aggressive experience. Discrete effects are constant and pounding, but the lack of subtlety here is exactly what fans want. Directionality, imaging, accuracy of localized effects, and the sheer depth of the soundfield are all fantastic stuff. Even the front soundstage is a stunner -- stereo effects are quite pronounced, and when the sounds ping-pong (as they do just about any time a robot transforms), it's just as cool as the first time you heard that lightsaber effect in 'Star Wars.' If I had had this disc when I was a twelve year-old kid, I don't I would have stopped playing it for months.

Also top-notch are all technical aspects of the mix. As you would expect, this is the kind of disc your subwoofer will devour. Even at moderate volume levels I was blown away by the sheer low frequencies churned out by my poor sub. Whether you're talking about the opening attack, the sequence with that weird sand Decepticon in the desert, or any sequence during the film's last 30 minutes, there's such a sustained low bass presence that it's almost like it's another character in the movie. The realism and texture to every sound -- from the effects to the score to the dialogue -- is pitch perfect. Volume issues are also, thankfully, not a problem -- I was truly shocked that I didn't have to reach for my remote once, as dialogue is leveled nicely throughout.

Note that although I'm giving this audio mix five stars, that doesn't mean I agree with Paramount's decision to forgo high-res audio on this title. Without a TrueHD or PCM mix to compare this one to, there's no way of telling how much better such a track might have been, but based on the upgrade I've seen with other titles, I'm guessing a high-res mix could well have trounced this one. That's not to take anything away from this truly exceptional mix, but this is one case where I think you truly can improve upon perfection.

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/1110/transformers.html

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51GB disk is coming isnt it?

Should solve these problems.



Rath:

It's still in testing; it may or may not be usable without a firmware update, or perhaps at all. They expect it to be ready in some form by the end of the year, though.



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@Rath

True a 51GB HD-DVD disc is currently going through the finalization proccess, however, exesting players will not be able to play it. On the other hand Hitachi has shown off a 100GB Blu-ray disc that is currently going through finalization, and it would only require a firmware upgrade to the older players. To me it looks like early adapter of both formats will be screwed as now the HD-DVD camp has to buy new machines to play the discs and the Blu-ray camp has to buy new machines to get all the features. The only people that will not get the shaft are the PS3 owners as it is capable of spec 2.0 Blu-ray which at the moment is a full spec player.



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Really though, the percentage of users who can actually make use of the full capabilities of HD audio is quite miniscule. The quality of Dolby Digital Plus is also very high when used properly. Quote from same website: "At least one professional Hollywood sound mixer has described Dolby Digital Plus at 1509 kb/s as audibly transparent to the studio master."



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@KBG29:

It is suggested that a firmware update is all that will be required for the 51GB HD-DVD disc as well.



Hates Nomura.

Tagged: GooseGaws - <--- Has better taste in games than you.

Wow man thanks for showing your support for HD-DVD by showing us that Transformers got a 4.5 PQ rating and a 5 star AQ rating.



         

jerk offs should've stuck with BLU-RAY, this was one of my must buys =(

as for the 51gb HDDVD disc, from everything i've heard current machines will not be able to play them.



@vizunary:

I just read an article earlier today that suggested there was indeed a possibility of current players being able to read the disc. The link appears to be broken right now, but here it is all the same, in case it recovers:

http://www.homemediaretailing.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=11347



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Tagged: GooseGaws - <--- Has better taste in games than you.

The funny thing is some time ago all HD-DVD supporters claimed capacity of HD-DVD disc is far bigger than what people want. It looks like it shrinks pretty fast. New HD-DVD discs will be for sure much expensive than blu-ray parallel.