By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General - New Charles Darwin film is 'too controversial' for religious American audiences

Well Hitler and other mass murderers were likely influenced by Darwins theories. The propaganda shows as much.

Though it's not like that makes Darwin responsible or a racist.

Though he probably was a racist. Who wasn't back then.  The descent of man seemed to portray him as such... but once again... just about everyone was a racist then.

Regardless it's not like the Holocaust should be held against him.  For all we know the Jews could of been scapegoated anyway.  Such things aren't unusual.  It's just a matter of the science being used as a justification.  Like when the french claimed they were superior using that head measuring science. (Though in addition they actually fudged the numbers on it btw.)

It's not like scapegoating one race is something that was new to WW2.



Around the Network

Also i'd note... that "Anti-christian" documentaries actually do big money in the US.

Bill Maher's movie was 10th on the box office charts it's opening week. The problem has nothing to do with it being anti-christian or whether or not people believe in what Darwin did.

It has everything to do with not being interesting to the average movie goer.

In the US more then anywhere else... it is near impossible to make a profit on a movie for movie theaters and the like. That's why documentaries and such only get limited releases.



Kasz216 said:

Well Hitler and other mass murderers were likely influenced by Darwins theories. The propaganda shows as much.

Though it's not like that makes Darwin responsible or a racist.

Though he probably was a racist. Who wasn't back then.

Regardless it's not like the Holocaust should be held against him.  For all we know the Jews could of been scapegoated anyway.

It's not like scapegoating one race is something that was new to WW2.

 

This post isn't really directed at you (because on half your points I do agree with you) but I'm quoting you because it relates to your post.


If the theory of evolution is evil and racist and the cause of the holocaust - it doesn't stop the theory of evolution being right. Its an appeal to the consqequences rather than an actual argument. Same thing with Darwin being racist, making ad hominem attacks on Darwin doesn't mean his theories are wrong.

Also does anybody else just love Wikipedias list of fallacies? =D



Rath said:
Kasz216 said:

Well Hitler and other mass murderers were likely influenced by Darwins theories. The propaganda shows as much.

Though it's not like that makes Darwin responsible or a racist.

Though he probably was a racist. Who wasn't back then.

Regardless it's not like the Holocaust should be held against him.  For all we know the Jews could of been scapegoated anyway.

It's not like scapegoating one race is something that was new to WW2.

 

This post isn't really directed at you (because on half your points I do agree with you) but I'm quoting you because it relates to your post.


If the theory of evolution is evil and racist and the cause of the holocaust - it doesn't stop the theory of evolution being right. Its an appeal to the consqequences rather than an actual argument. Same thing with Darwin being racist, making ad hominem attacks on Darwin doesn't mean his theories are wrong.

Also does anybody else just love Wikipedias list of fallacies? =D

I agree with that.  I also believe in evolution.

Though I do people often spend time defending stuff they shouldn't just because they're afraid of such things.

Like people trying to say Darwin wasn't a racist, when evidence supported he was and he lived in a racist time.

I mean Auguste Comte was practically a supervillian.  That doesn't make Sociology and Positivism either evil or wrong.

It's not like someone "discovers" something and it just stays that way for all time.

Pretty much everything gets refined... and just because something may or may not be true doesn't mean that we have to follow it if it goes agaisnt said consious.

Like if Darwinism somehow did show that one race was inferior to another it's not like that justifies treating one race inferior.  At the end of the day justifications are excuses used by people who likely wanted to do what they did anyway.

Hitler is a "fun" example because he used multiple justifications for everything.... knowing the people would just go with which every one they personally liked best.

It's a fun trick our most succesful politicans today do as well.



Kasz216 said:
Also i'd note... that "Anti-christian" documentaries actually do big money in the US.

Bill Maher's movie was 10th on the box office charts it's opening week. The problem has nothing to do with it being anti-christian or whether or not people believe in what Darwin did.

It has everything to do with not being interesting to the average movie goer.

In the US more then anywhere else... it is near impossible to make a profit on a movie for movie theaters and the like. That's why documentaries and such only get limited releases.

It's not even anti-Christian though in my opinion.

I've never understood how people can draw a link from the theory of evolution to being anti-Christian. It is seperate from the religion, it is a scientific theory, it's contained within itself with no accusations that Christianity or any other religion is false. The link was completely drawn out of nothing in my opinion, and if Christians want to hang on to the, quite frankly, antiquated notion that it somehow offends them, then so be it, but there is no reason for it.



Around the Network
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Also i'd note... that "Anti-christian" documentaries actually do big money in the US.

Bill Maher's movie was 10th on the box office charts it's opening week. The problem has nothing to do with it being anti-christian or whether or not people believe in what Darwin did.

It has everything to do with not being interesting to the average movie goer.

In the US more then anywhere else... it is near impossible to make a profit on a movie for movie theaters and the like. That's why documentaries and such only get limited releases.

It's not even anti-Christian though in my opinion.

I've never understood how people can draw a link from the theory of evolution to being anti-Christian. It is seperate from the religion, it is a scientific theory, it's contained within itself with no accusations that Christianity or any other religion is false. The link was completely drawn out of nothing in my opinion, and if Christians want to hang on to the, quite frankly, antiquated notion that it somehow offends them, then so be it, but there is no reason for it.

It wasn't drawn by Christians.  The Anti-Christian link was drawn by the author of the documentry himself.  This is what he blames for his film not getting released.

Which is pure 100% Bullshit.

It's not being released because nobody wants to go to the theatre to see a documetnry about Charles Darwin.

Or rather not enough people to make a profit based on what he's asking for.



Kasz216 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Kasz216 said:
Also i'd note... that "Anti-christian" documentaries actually do big money in the US.

Bill Maher's movie was 10th on the box office charts it's opening week. The problem has nothing to do with it being anti-christian or whether or not people believe in what Darwin did.

It has everything to do with not being interesting to the average movie goer.

In the US more then anywhere else... it is near impossible to make a profit on a movie for movie theaters and the like. That's why documentaries and such only get limited releases.

It's not even anti-Christian though in my opinion.

I've never understood how people can draw a link from the theory of evolution to being anti-Christian. It is seperate from the religion, it is a scientific theory, it's contained within itself with no accusations that Christianity or any other religion is false. The link was completely drawn out of nothing in my opinion, and if Christians want to hang on to the, quite frankly, antiquated notion that it somehow offends them, then so be it, but there is no reason for it.

It wasn't drawn by Christians.  The Anti-Christian link was drawn by the author of the documentry himself.  This is what he blames for his film not getting released.

Which is pure 100% Bullshit.

It's not being released because nobody wants to go to the theatre to see a documetnry about Charles Darwin.

Or rather not enough people to make a profit based on what he's asking for.

lol, no no no, you misunderstood, I was talking about the link general, not with the film.



I loathe close-minded religious people.

 

So it's fine for The Passion of the Christ to exist even though it goes against Atheism, but as soon as something that opposes Christianity makes it into the spot light, it's shut down?

 

These are probably also the people that say that being gay is a mental illness.



tedsteriscool said:
I loathe close-minded religious people.

How about just close minded people?



Kasz216 said:
tedsteriscool said:
I loathe close-minded religious people.

How about just close minded people?

Close minded people in general bother me, but those who use the Bible as justification for it bother me most.