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"Also, pirating games starts at or before launch. Used games are resold after an initial purchase. Every used game has been bought. Pirated copies have never been bought."

So then if I buy the game, wait a week, dump the DVD and put up a torrent, then it's okay?



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
vlad321 said:
Manos said:
vlad321 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
vlad321 said:
@Zenfolder

Ok, since we seem not to be caring about the money developers can make. You can pirate games on the PC for free. How can you beat that? When you rent and buy used games you still pay something, how do you beat free?

I hesitate to mention pirating as a positive for PC gaming, yet it probably is the reason a lot of people prefer it.

You mentioned used market. What's the difference between the two?

You don't know that? Really?

If you think there's a difference then you have some very big problems.

No, you're the one with the problem. Selling used games is legal. Pirating games in general, is illegal. This is a fact.

Also, pirating games starts at or before launch. Used games are resold after an initial purchase. Every used game has been bought. Pirated copies have never been bought.

Not to mention the years of hardship pirating has put on PC gamers.

Sir, that's just insulting.

SO does the developer see your money? No. Does a developer see your money when you buy used? No. Same difference.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

meh id have to go with consoles....but shooters are def. more for my pc



vlad321 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

No, you're the one with the problem. Selling used games is legal. Pirating games in general, is illegal. This is a fact.

Also, pirating games starts at or before launch. Used games are resold after an initial purchase. Every used game has been bought. Pirated copies have never been bought.

Not to mention the years of hardship pirating has put on PC gamers.

Sir, that's just insulting.

SO does the developer see your money? No. Does a developer see your money when you buy used? No. Same difference.

Justification like that is usually a terrible defense because you're really just showing off that you know you're wrong and grasping at straws.



twesterm said:

Compared to gaming on anything else, yes, I generally hate PC gaming for the reasons I've listed over and over again.

I'm not saying you or anyone else should hate PC gaming, it's cool that you like it for whatever reason, I just generally hate it for these reasons:

  • Upgrading your PC: I bought a "gaming laptop" last year that was pretty much top of the line.  It barely runs new games and runs hot as Hell.  Granted, yes, I bought a laptop and that's my own dumb fault, but I also use computers for things besides gaming and a laptop made more sense.
  • Not gaming on my awesome TV: lugging my computer from my office (have to go through the garage and up the stairs) or just fiddling with wires isn't fun and not something I like to do.  Even just leaving the wires ready isn't a good option because I use all my HDMI inputs and the wife doesn't like seeing wires hanging everywhere.  This just isn't a good option for me.
  • Couch vs. Office chair: I sit in an office chair all day long.  I don't want to come home and relax in an office chair to play games, I want to relax on my comfy couch.
  • PC Game Hassle: Even when I use Steam, there's still hassle.  When I don't use Steam, there's even more hassle.  As an added detriment, I'm left handed.  That means if I use the keyboard (which I'm probably going to do with a PC game) I have to remap every control.  I don't like going through 15 minutes of fiddling with settings before starting my game.  Then there's having to fiddle with the settings and tweaks in order to make the game run just right for your system.  Every game has a guide for getting it to run just right versus a game that automatically runs just right.  The most I have to fiddle with on console games is the darkness setting.
  • Sometimes PC games just don't work: Even with Steam games, I can have trouble getting PC games to work, don't know what else to say about that.
  • Patches/Installs:  Luckily Steam takes care a lot of this trouble but for any game that isn't on Steam it's still a giant pain in the ass.
  • DRM: Again, for every non-Steam game this can be a deal breaker.  I tried for hours to get KotorII to work and just couldn't because the DRM didn't like my DVD Burner.  The only alternative I had was to go look for a crack and hope it didn't have a virus.
  • PC Games are undersupported: PC games have no quality control like 360/PS3/Wii games have so it's pretty common that they are released buggy as all Hell.  These problems can be fixed quickly but would I rather have a 360 game working day one or a PC game working week two?

And there are advantages to PC games, I recognize that, just the disadvantages are far too great to bother with PC gaming.  These are my personal gripes for not liking PC gaming and Shio or whoever can come back and tell me that my opinions are wrong and I really don't care.  I hate PC gaming because I've had bad luck with it and console gaming is just so much better for me.

1. Why don't you shows us your gaming laptop's specs and tells us how much it cost (and when you bought). It seems to me that you made a bad purchase.

2. It's your own damn fault for not playing in your awesome TV. You have a goddamn "gaming laptop", which means you super easy plug it into the TV, you already have cables plugged on your TV from your consoles and can use them. I can't belive anyone could ever complain about this!!

3. First, the fact that you have to remap every control means that there's something wrong with your thought process. I have not remapped a PC game for a keyboard in over 3 years!! Second, what's the hassle with Steam? Let me hear you say it.

4. Sorry, but my guess is that you are bad at keeping your PC clean and neety. Since I joined Steam I have only had 1 problem on a Steam game, and that was from the game itself (which I eventually fixed).

5. Your statement is wrong. Nowadays almost any "big" has an update system in the game, which allows for far more efficient and hassle-free updating. And there are also several other services like Steam that make the updates themselves, like Impulse and Gamersgate.

6. Publishers have been leaving the DRM scheme, haven't you heard?! No one uses DRM with terrible reputation today, and hell, even Securom is now only used as a generic disc check. You are behind times.

7. How about the fact that today Epic still haven't fixed Gears of War 2's mutliplayer. The thing is, atleast with PC games, if a game comes out broken it shows in their critic scores, but atleast they can be infinitely improved, but on Xbox 360 you are only allowed to make one free update. Hell, they might even FORCE you to buy the update itself.. isn't that what's happening with the Valve and Call of Duty Games?!



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twesterm said:
vlad321 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
 

No, you're the one with the problem. Selling used games is legal. Pirating games in general, is illegal. This is a fact.

Also, pirating games starts at or before launch. Used games are resold after an initial purchase. Every used game has been bought. Pirated copies have never been bought.

Not to mention the years of hardship pirating has put on PC gamers.

Sir, that's just insulting.

SO does the developer see your money? No. Does a developer see your money when you buy used? No. Same difference.

Justification like that is usually a terrible defense because you're really just showing off that you know you're wrong and grasping at straws.

It's not justification, the end result is the same. If anythign youa re justifying yourself about the used market, knowing exactly what it does.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:
twesterm said:
vlad321 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
 

No, you're the one with the problem. Selling used games is legal. Pirating games in general, is illegal. This is a fact.

Also, pirating games starts at or before launch. Used games are resold after an initial purchase. Every used game has been bought. Pirated copies have never been bought.

Not to mention the years of hardship pirating has put on PC gamers.

Sir, that's just insulting.

SO does the developer see your money? No. Does a developer see your money when you buy used? No. Same difference.

Justification like that is usually a terrible defense because you're really just showing off that you know you're wrong and grasping at straws.

It's not justification, the end result is the same. If anythign youa re justifying yourself about the used market, knowing exactly what it does.

And the rental system is even worse. Only a handful of games are bought for rental pruposes, yet each copy is probably played by dozens of people who most likely will never buy the game they're playing! That, to me, is very close to piracy. Afterall, don't pirates also have to buy the game to be able to rip it off?!



For me it's PC > Handhelds > Consoles.



vlad321 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
vlad321 said:
@Zenfolder

Ok, since we seem not to be caring about the money developers can make. You can pirate games on the PC for free. How can you beat that? When you rent and buy used games you still pay something, how do you beat free?

I hesitate to mention pirating as a positive for PC gaming, yet it probably is the reason a lot of people prefer it.

You mentioned used market. What's the difference between the two?

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING THAT THE USED GAME MARKET IS EQUIVALENT TO PIRACY?

[edit:  oops, forgot to refresh -- everyone has already jumped on this.]



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Final-Fan said:
vlad321 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
vlad321 said:
@Zenfolder

Ok, since we seem not to be caring about the money developers can make. You can pirate games on the PC for free. How can you beat that? When you rent and buy used games you still pay something, how do you beat free?

I hesitate to mention pirating as a positive for PC gaming, yet it probably is the reason a lot of people prefer it.

You mentioned used market. What's the difference between the two?

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING THAT THE USED GAME MARKET IS EQUIVALENT TO PIRACY?

[edit:  oops, forgot to refresh -- everyone has already jumped on this.]

The end result is the same. THe developers get no money from you.

Edit: crap yoru edit came in too fast.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835