bardicverse said: what, no comparison on Link's costume change - OOT tights/bodysuit/unitard vs TP shirt and suede pants? This was a pretty big change, as its the first game where Link wasn't in tights or not wearing pants at all

I thought he was wearing scale mail trousers in OoT. Note the silver look.

i have no recollection of games before the NES, lol. i must be too young :O but arcade games will always look great, i think.

i wasn't saying graphics make or break a game. im too much of a late-80's-mid-90s fan to think so but in terms of the ol' TP vs OoT debate, i think it plays some part

I there is any comparison, I do think if the game utilized some of the stuff Factor 5 learned a couple years later, the game would have looked even better. It might at the very least enhanced the character models a little.

So even in terms of absolute system power they aren't comparable, in terms of system familiarity, TP was based on just about everything learned about the GC then, and OoT was a middle on the generation game, so in terms of the relative system power TP has the lead.

lol you've kinda said at least twice now that the games aren't comparable - in graphics and in absolute system power. but this thread IS about comparing the two otherwise, we'd have the same stupid argument that other people in this thread have had about comparing two things that can't be compared

i liked your 10 reasons, i was just stating one of my own too

Okay, it's cool.

Good list. Makes a lot more sense than a lot of other top ten lists i've seen.

lol, I meant the ceiling spiders.

And that's cheating! -_-

It's not cheating when the game does it for you. I didn't make Navi seek out hidden enemies. She did it for me. I simply paid attention.

I don't mean cheating the game: I meant cheating out of the true Zelda experience. ;_;

LordTheNightKnight said: bardicverse said: what, no comparison on Link's costume change - OOT tights/bodysuit/unitard vs TP shirt and suede pants? This was a pretty big change, as its the first game where Link wasn't in tights or not wearing pants at all I thought he was wearing scale mail trousers in OoT. Note the silver look.

Nah, the official concept art has his "undergear" more cloth-like. Note the folds in his knees, etc. Plus his undershirt is laced up with a rope/cord/ribbon-like string

Also, as someone who does medieval re-enactment as a hobby and builds armor, scale armor would have many little "half-moon" like lines all over them, where the scales interweave. If you note in the above picture, look at Link's left knee. There is only one type of item that would articulate the knee so well, and that would be a tights-based or hosen-based system. Considering that Link's time is based on medieval culture, tights were pretty much the sweatpants of that time, very common use. A Tunic and tights back then were pretty much the equivalent to the modern day jeans and a t-shirt.

Noting his left elbow, a normal shirt wouldn't cling so tightly unless it was a compression shirt like baseball players wear. Likely the design was intended for the undershirt to be of the same material as the tights, which might suggest a bodysuit or unitard - basically an item of clothing that covers everything from the neck down, minus for the hands. While not accurate to medieval time period, the unitard is commonly associated with classic superheroes.

I think I know waaay too much about this subject.