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Rath said:
However Roger Penrose (the person whos paper Tegmark was disputing) has written a critique of that critique. I don't really understand the mathematics behind it but apparently one of the variables Tegmark used wasn't correct.

Also I'm not saying that peoples choices are always 50/50 - I'm just saying there is a possibility that their choice isn't always 100/0. Even you used the term 'very rarely', not never - if you think they ever do then you believe that free-will is not an illusion. Can you please clarify your stance? Or you deterministic or not? Compatibaiist or incompatibilist?

Also saying quantum theory free will doesn't bear out experimentation is bollocks, nobody has devised an experiment to falsify it yet.

The problem is your using the term deterministic an undeterministic wrong.

Determinsitic thought would suggest that people are like computer.  Who would always choose the best course of action.

The fact that people are swayed by non-relvent things such as racism make people nondeterministic.



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Determinism is a term in physics meaning that everything is predictable. I know I am definitely not using the term wrong.



Additionally by the way... even if what you claimed was right it isn't really "free will" since said "choice" would be nothing more then the chance that an electron my move differently and make someone feel differently then would normally happen. There is no "Free will" there. Just randomness.  We would have just as much free will as an electron would "choosing" where it went next.

Though, once again... lets assume your right even though the evidence points against it. You don't claim it's 50/50 right?

So that means if they're both living in identical worlds... as long as I kill Chester before the worlds split... before there is a difference.

According to you. I have not murdered him... he has been instantly deleted. There is divergence since his deletion is instantaneous and he feels nothing.

They were still 1 being despite having 2 bodies.





Rath said:
Determinism is a term in physics meaning that everything is predictable. I know I am definitely not using the term wrong.

We are talking about consiousness.  Consiousness is by in large the realm of psychology.  Therefore Psychological definitions should apply.

Also... I feel I have to note that Quantum Mind theory is a minority sceintific opinion for a reason. 

Despite being 20 years old.

 

But if your question is "If I knew everything about a person as well as I knew myself would i be able to predict how he would react to a situation.

My answer would be yes.

If I were to go through something, and then my exact clone were to go through the same thing... we would make the same choice... every time.



WessleWoggle said:
If your brain gets blown up and someone puts it back together, will you be the same conciousness?

My type of humor.

(not that it perhaps was your intention, u just made a great example with that rethorical question, which i also agree with)



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This discussion is awesome. I'm very fascinated by the determinism vs free will concept. And I guess probability outcomes derived through quantum observations is a third option - but that's not still free will in my opinion, it's also a form of determinism with just some funny uncontrollable variable.

Whenever I do something stupid, let's say a mistake at work where I've denied a patient an x-ray and it later turns out that he or she suffers from deadly cancer, nowadays I just shake it off and think "no reason to feel bad about it, to feel guilt or being ashamed or anything, I couldn't have made that in any other way by my own will, my cause of actions were predetermined to happen exactly like they did".



My scores - on Battlefield God

You have been awarded the TPM medal of distinction! This is our second highest award for outstanding service on the intellectual battleground.

The fact that you progressed through this activity without being hit and biting only one bullet suggests that your beliefs about God are internally consistent and well thought out.

A direct hit would have occurred had you answered in a way that implied a logical contradiction. The bitten bullet occurred because you responded in a way that required that you held a view that most people would have found strange, incredible or unpalatable. However, because you bit only one bullet and avoided direct hits completely you still qualify for our second highest award. A good achievement!


BTW I actually think there is a flaw in the question structure that required me to take one hit, but I guess I'll let it slide...


On the Moral side...

Your Moral Parsimony Score is 100%

What does this mean?

Moral frameworks can be more or less parsimonious. That is to say, they can employ a wide range of principles, which vary in their application according to circumstances (less parsimonious) or they can employ a small range of principles which apply across a wide range of circumstances without modification (more parsimonious). An example might make this clear. Let's assume that we are committed to the principle that it is a good to reduce suffering. The test of moral parsimony is to see whether this principle is applied simply and without modification or qualification in a number of different circumstances. Supposing, for example, we find that in otherwise identical circumstances, the principle is applied differently if the suffering person is from a different country to our own. This suggests a lack of moral parsimony because a factor which could be taken to be morally irrelevant in an alternative moral framework is here taken to be morally relevant.


I have to say I found the questions here rather obvious, and they used a very simple approach to trying to flush out a different response.

A final confession, while what I answered in Morality is what I believe is true, the real question is whether you can stick to your Morals when the going get's tough.

 

One more on Taboo...

Results

Your Moralising Quotient is: 0.00.

Your Interference Factor is: 0.00.

Your Universalising Factor is: -1.

What do these results mean?

Are you thinking straight about morality?

You see nothing wrong in the actions depicted in these scenarios. Consequently, there is no inconsistency in the way that you responded to the questions in this activity. However, it is interesting to note that had you judged any of these acts to be morally problematic, it is hard to see how this might have been justified. You don't think that an act can be morally wrong if it is entirely private and no one, not even the person doing the act, is harmed by it. The actions described in these scenarios are private like this and it was specified as clearly as possible that they didn't involve harm. One possibility might be that the people undertaking these acts are in some way harmed by them. But you indicated that you don't think that an act can be morally wrong solely for the reason that it harms the person undertaking it. So, as you probably realised, even this wouldn't seem to be enough to make the actions described in these scenarios morally problematic in terms of your moral outlook. Probably, in your own terms, you were right to adopt a morally permissive view.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Determinism is a term in physics meaning that everything is predictable. I know I am definitely not using the term wrong.

We are talking about consiousness.  Consiousness is by in large the realm of psychology.  Therefore Psychological definitions should apply.

Also... I feel I have to note that Quantum Mind theory is a minority sceintific opinion for a reason. 

Despite being 20 years old.

 

But if your question is "If I knew everything about a person as well as I knew myself would i be able to predict how he would react to a situation.

My answer would be yes.

If I were to go through something, and then my exact clone were to go through the same thing... we would make the same choice... every time.

You guys are having an interesting debate.  Kasz216 - are you sure you believe your clone would do the same thing every single time?  I'm not, I think your clone would probably do the same thing the majority of the time, but not all the time.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

Kasz216 said:
WessleWoggle said:
Kasz216 said:
WessleWoggle said:
If you slowly replaced each part of your brain with parts of a robotic brain until your brain was 100% artificial, then hooked up the brain to a electronic body or PC, would it still be your conciousness?

No.  The minute your brain when 100% artificial your gone.

Explain...

 

It's like a computer.  You can keep upgrading your old comptuer... however the minute you got rid of the last part of your computer, your computer is no longer that old one you used to work on.

 

The brain is like a computer... if the ram blows out you can replace it... etc etc....

but once you got to a point of where you've replaced every part of your brain... it's not your old brain and aren't thereanymore, but a new ones.

I could probably actually point to a specific part of the brain that once gone would kill you rather then just basically 100%... but honsetly anatomical psychology was what held back my GPA in college.

So hard to memorize all the little parts of a brain... espeically in a shortened summer session.

 

Edit: Insular Cortex!  Once you lost your Insular Cortex you would no longer be you.  The insular cortex is what creates your consiousness.

What if nanobots slowly transformed your whole body into electronics and metal instead of flesh and bone, but still with the same structure as a human, would you still retain your original conciousness, since it's still he same brain and brain structure but with different materials?



These quizzes are always far too simplistic and packed full of their own presuppositions and internal logic, so if you're annoyed with it telling you that your philosophy is somehow inconsistent then I wouldn't be too worried about it.



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