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TheRealMafoo on 08 September 2009
vlad321 said:
Mr Khan said:

The only reason people don't want a public option, by and large, is because of scare tactics, though. I mean, yeah, there is a dedicated core of libertarians out there who have a logic behind their reasoning of why big government is bad, but most people are just scared of the Red Spectre.

 

We'll look back on this and laugh in 50 years, when all the baby boomers (raised in the shadow of the Cold War), are dead, and the large numbers of people who harbor this irrational fear of socialism are out of the system (and the fear-mongers with their own agendas can stop taking advantage of them)

It's already starting to happen. The fact this thing is up for debate at all proves that times are turning over. It's been a long time since Reagan called public helthcare a communist practice (i know he didn't put it quite like that, but it's exactly what he meant).

We can tell it’s already happening by looking at our president.

Never before, in the history of the US, has someone ran for office, and openly told the people they are taking more money from the rich, for no other reason than “they can afford it”.

Candidates in the past wanted to redistribute, but they had to hide it, and push that agenda in sneaky ways. Obama made it a campaign promise, and was loved for it.

Socialism is here, and government does not have to fight the people to get it. We are freely giving it away. It’s an incredibly sad commentary on the state of the world.

Mark my words. Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side, but one day the only difference between our president and a dictator, will be the title.



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halogamer1989 on 08 September 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
vlad321 said:
Mr Khan said:

The only reason people don't want a public option, by and large, is because of scare tactics, though. I mean, yeah, there is a dedicated core of libertarians out there who have a logic behind their reasoning of why big government is bad, but most people are just scared of the Red Spectre.

 

We'll look back on this and laugh in 50 years, when all the baby boomers (raised in the shadow of the Cold War), are dead, and the large numbers of people who harbor this irrational fear of socialism are out of the system (and the fear-mongers with their own agendas can stop taking advantage of them)

It's already starting to happen. The fact this thing is up for debate at all proves that times are turning over. It's been a long time since Reagan called public helthcare a communist practice (i know he didn't put it quite like that, but it's exactly what he meant).

We can tell it’s already happening by looking at our president.

Never before, in the history of the US, has someone ran for office, and openly told the people they are taking more money from the rich, for no other reason than “they can afford it”.

Candidates in the past wanted to redistribute, but they had to hide it, and push that agenda in sneaky ways. Obama made it a campaign promise, and was loved for it.

Socialism is here, and government does not have to fight the people to get it. We are freely giving it away. It’s an incredibly sad commentary on the state of the world.

Mark my words. Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side, but one day the only difference between our president and a dictator, will be the title.

Well Mondale said he was going to increase taxes.  You see how that turned out



highwaystar101 on 08 September 2009

TheRealMafoo said:

We can tell it’s already happening by looking at our president.

Never before, in the history of the US, has someone ran for office, and openly told the people they are taking more money from the rich, for no other reason than “they can afford it”.

Candidates in the past wanted to redistribute, but they had to hide it, and push that agenda in sneaky ways. Obama made it a campaign promise, and was loved for it.

Socialism is here, and government does not have to fight the people to get it. We are freely giving it away. It’s an incredibly sad commentary on the state of the world.

Mark my words. Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side, but one day the only difference between our president and a dictator, will be the title.

You seriously think the USA will become socialist over the next 4 to 8 years? What Obama wants for the USA is not real socialism, it's more like European politics where the economy is largely private, but the government has slightly more control through public services.

Obama does not want to make the USA into the new soviet union, he wants the USA to be more like France, Britain and just about every other developed country in the world.



halogamer1989 on 08 September 2009
highwaystar101 said:

TheRealMafoo said:

We can tell it’s already happening by looking at our president.

Never before, in the history of the US, has someone ran for office, and openly told the people they are taking more money from the rich, for no other reason than “they can afford it”.

Candidates in the past wanted to redistribute, but they had to hide it, and push that agenda in sneaky ways. Obama made it a campaign promise, and was loved for it.

Socialism is here, and government does not have to fight the people to get it. We are freely giving it away. It’s an incredibly sad commentary on the state of the world.

Mark my words. Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side, but one day the only difference between our president and a dictator, will be the title.

You seriously think the USA will become socialist over the next 4 to 8 years? What Obama wants for the USA is not real socialism, it's more like European politics where the economy is largely private, but the government has slightly more control through public services.

Obama does not want to make the USA into the new soviet union, he wants the USA to be more like France, Britain and just about every other developed country in the world.

Say something like that outloud in 2012 and you lose by a Reagan-esque landslide.  France can go to hell.  5 Constitutions, revolts, 5 Republics, anarchy, and God knows what else is not a model for the US.



highwaystar101 on 08 September 2009
halogamer1989 said:
highwaystar101 said:

TheRealMafoo said:

We can tell it’s already happening by looking at our president.

Never before, in the history of the US, has someone ran for office, and openly told the people they are taking more money from the rich, for no other reason than “they can afford it”.

Candidates in the past wanted to redistribute, but they had to hide it, and push that agenda in sneaky ways. Obama made it a campaign promise, and was loved for it.

Socialism is here, and government does not have to fight the people to get it. We are freely giving it away. It’s an incredibly sad commentary on the state of the world.

Mark my words. Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side, but one day the only difference between our president and a dictator, will be the title.

You seriously think the USA will become socialist over the next 4 to 8 years? What Obama wants for the USA is not real socialism, it's more like European politics where the economy is largely private, but the government has slightly more control through public services.

Obama does not want to make the USA into the new soviet union, he wants the USA to be more like France, Britain and just about every other developed country in the world.

Say something like that outloud in 2012 and you lose by a Reagan-esque landslide.  France can go to hell.  5 Constitutions, revolts, 5 Republics, anarchy, and God knows what else is not a model for the US.

I live in Europe, if I say it here in 2012 people will just agree with me. I didn't just say France either, I said just about every developed country, they are all what you would call "Socialist" (*sniggers to self over what people define as socialist*). Is pretty much every developed country in the world wrong? France, Italy, Britain, Germany, Holland, Canada, Belguim, Japan, Australia, Sweden, New zealand, Finland... The list goes on.

And don't knock France, France is an awesome country, I go there a lot.



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TheRealMafoo on 08 September 2009
highwaystar101 said:

TheRealMafoo said:

We can tell it’s already happening by looking at our president.

Never before, in the history of the US, has someone ran for office, and openly told the people they are taking more money from the rich, for no other reason than “they can afford it”.

Candidates in the past wanted to redistribute, but they had to hide it, and push that agenda in sneaky ways. Obama made it a campaign promise, and was loved for it.

Socialism is here, and government does not have to fight the people to get it. We are freely giving it away. It’s an incredibly sad commentary on the state of the world.

Mark my words. Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side, but one day the only difference between our president and a dictator, will be the title.

You seriously think the USA will become socialist over the next 4 to 8 years? What Obama wants for the USA is not real socialism, it's more like European politics where the economy is largely private, but the government has slightly more control through public services.

Obama does not want to make the USA into the new soviet union, he wants the USA to be more like France, Britain and just about every other developed country in the world.

Did you miss the "Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side"?

No, the US can not turn into Cuba over the next 8 years. But it can over the next 50.



highwaystar101 on 08 September 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
highwaystar101 said:

TheRealMafoo said:

We can tell it’s already happening by looking at our president.

Never before, in the history of the US, has someone ran for office, and openly told the people they are taking more money from the rich, for no other reason than “they can afford it”.

Candidates in the past wanted to redistribute, but they had to hide it, and push that agenda in sneaky ways. Obama made it a campaign promise, and was loved for it.

Socialism is here, and government does not have to fight the people to get it. We are freely giving it away. It’s an incredibly sad commentary on the state of the world.

Mark my words. Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side, but one day the only difference between our president and a dictator, will be the title.

You seriously think the USA will become socialist over the next 4 to 8 years? What Obama wants for the USA is not real socialism, it's more like European politics where the economy is largely private, but the government has slightly more control through public services.

Obama does not want to make the USA into the new soviet union, he wants the USA to be more like France, Britain and just about every other developed country in the world.

Did you miss the "Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side"?

No, the US can not turn into Cuba over the next 8 years. But it can over the next 50.

Yeah I read what you said about having time on his side, but that means you think Obama wants to create a Fidel Castro-esque state in the first place. I can assure you he wants the USA to be more like Europe and not like Cuba. If you gave him 50 years I think you would end up with Europe2.0 where private industry by far and away larger than the public industry, as opposed to socialist Cuba.



TheRealMafoo on 08 September 2009
highwaystar101 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

Did you miss the "Obama will not be the next Castro because he does not have time on his side"?

No, the US can not turn into Cuba over the next 8 years. But it can over the next 50.

Yeah I read what you said about having time on his side, but that means you think Obama wants to create a Fidel Castro-esque state in the first place. I can assure you he wants the USA to be more like Europe and not like Cuba. If you gave him 50 years I think you would end up with Europe2.0 where private industry by far and away larger than the public industry, as opposed to socialist Cuba.

I think he wants to be a dictator. The difference in what he want the US to be and what Castro wants Cuba to be are academic.

Castro has the power to make Cuba anything he wants it to be. This is what Obama wants. What he makes it is not important. Giving a man that power, is.



coolestguyever on 08 September 2009

My thoughts on health care: There should be basic healthcare for all people, but if you are willing to spend the money then you can get better health care than the people who get it for free.



Kasz216 on 08 September 2009
halogamer1989 said:
Kasz216 said:
But a third party has won the presidency before Halogamer.

A third party your very familiar with. Well they aren't a third party anymore.


Bull Moose almost pulled it off too... and should have if they didn't get screwed by backdoor politics.

Teddy Roosevelt was one of a kind though. An extreme moderate so to speak. He was a moderate but he wasn't middle of the road in the way he acted unlike current passive moderates.

Whigs?  They were were the major party against the Jacksonian Dems in the 2nd Party System.  For Bull-Moose Teddy got 88 electoral votes to Wilson's 435 and Taft's 8.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1912

Teddy was an uber progressive.  He would run as a reformist, pro-welfare Democrat if he were alive today.

Republicans.

Abe Lincoln was the only 3rd party president.