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Forums - Gaming - IGN Top 25 Consoles -- TOP 5......SHOCKING WINNER! (Atari 2600 > PS2)!!

stika on 04 September 2009
tarheel91 said:
stika said:
tarheel91 said:
stika said:
tarheel91 said:
2600 gets too much credit. NES didn't save the industry; the NES was the phoenix down that revived it from nonexistence. The NES was actually worse off than the 2600 ever was. Thanks to the crash, both retailers and consumers had a negative view of video games (terribly selling consoles and games for the retailers; terrible games for the consumers). The NES had to overcome the negative perception, and after doing so, proceeded to expand the market like negative before.

At the same time, the 2600, while responsible for a great majority of that initial growth back in the early 70s, was also responsible for a lot of the problems that led to the crash (ridiculously long life cycle, no quality protection, etc). A lot of people forget just how terrible most games were on the 2600, and they focus on the few shining examples of greatness.

You have to remember that the NES only revived the industry in the US

neither Japan or Europe ever had the great console crash

Europe was irrelevant in terms of the video game market at that time, and the only reason Japan didn't see such a crash was because Atari never introduced a console until 1983.  The Atari 2800, as it was called, was destroyed by the Famicom/Nes.  Until Nintendo (or atleast, until the Famicom, as Nintendo made arcade games before the Famicom), the Japanese video game market was dominated largely by arcades.

Europe was irrelevant? Hardly, the difference is that Europe was mainly focused on computers, specially the spectrum

 

I never said the Atari was popular in Japan, i simply said that the NES didn't save either Japan or Europe because there was no need to

 

EDIT: The fact that many Japanese arcade games were ported over to the Atari 2600 also helped, games like donkey kong by nintendo, frogger by sega, galaxian by namco, etc.

If you looked at my argument in the first post, you'll notice that I was arguing that the 2600 gets too much credit.  I assumed you were attempting to counter that.  I agree that the NES didn't revive either of those markets, but it did revive the largest console market from literal death, and created a market in Japan (Europe would really be developed later with the PS1).

Personally I think that that sony merely continued the work sega Began in Europe

 

still I suppose i can see your point



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Kasz216 on 04 September 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Didn't Playstation 1 lead to a major EU Gaming market actually being established?

Lead to it... but it was all built on the work of the Sega Gensisis.  Had Sega not fucked up with the Saturn...

 



darthdevidem01 on 04 September 2009

@Kasz

Sega Saturn......I even forget it existed



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Kasz216 on 04 September 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
@Kasz

Sega Saturn......I even forget it existed

How could you call yourself a gamer and  forget this?

 

 

 



Crashdown77 on 04 September 2009

@darth- Maybe this will help you understand. If there was no 2600, NOBODY would be playing console games right now (there's a pretty good chance at least, who knows maybe we'd be lauding the colecovision or something else right now, but w/e). Without the PS1, millions would still be playing console games. Same with the NES in North America, NOBODY here would be playing without it (or the master system would be in it's place).



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Naum on 04 September 2009

Shocking winner? hell no, it would be more of a shock if the NES didn't win.



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Kasz216 on 04 September 2009
Crashdown77 said:
@darth- Maybe this will help you understand. If there was no 2600, NOBODY would be playing console games right now (there's a pretty good chance at least, who knows maybe we'd be lauding the colecovision or something else right now, but w/e). Without the PS1, millions would still be playing console games. Same with the NES in North America, NOBODY here would be playing without it (or the master system would be in it's place).

Nah.  Master System only came around because of the NES.

 

It's not just NA either.  It would of been all computers if it weren't for the NES.



MonstaMack on 04 September 2009

Yeap NES is still my favorite.



It's just that simple.

afi77 on 04 September 2009

The PSX was the first console to offer 3D graphics that could compete with the 3DFX card! It give birth and rebooted a ton of killer appz: MGS, GT, RE, FF, SH, Tony Hawk, etc. All the consoles after it merely expanded on the type of gameplay invented on the PSX!



Lord Flashheart on 04 September 2009

In Europe we favoured computers especially the Speccy and C64. It wasn't a small or insignificant market as the people making games back then still are *cough*Rare*cough*.

The US crash didn't affect us and the gaming scene was huge over here. Weekly releases for a quid.
Bargain.

Who can forget Ocean.

I agree with the list.



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