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Kasz216 on 05 September 2009
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Or you could have just bought another ps2, keeping the value of all the games you had, because you surely lost a lot of the value by selling them.

and then buy another one.... and another one.... then a bunch of second hand ones.....

 

 

The failure rate was not that bad. In fact, most of the problems ps2s ran into was lens motor, which occurred due to overuse of the system.

So, you can always just tighten the arm on the motor or you can buy another one.

This arm is the one thing that affected ps2s over anything else, which either gave a clicking noise, or made no noise whatsoever.

No... it was that bad. 

Sony lost MULTIPLE lawsuits because of it.

It was right up there with the 360.


Infact when polled the failure rate was well above 50% just like the 360.  Both likely overblown.  But they were the same level.

SO a guaranteed break within two years? That's a no.

failure rate does have something to do with time as well. 50% means one out of two break within a year. That's simply not true.

There were two or three shipments out of the 150M or so consoles that had problems. This is the reality:

Optical arm is wear and tear, not failure or defect. I'd like to see a graph from a well respected source showing how failure prone the ps2 was.

Me and my roommate had two ps2s, both died. Due to problems with the lens, either dust or the motor arm. Both were 6+ years old. Which would be a 15% failure rate, if those were failures. Which they are not, they are issues of wear and tear. The difference? One is based on how the console is made, and the other is based on how the console exists in my environment.

Those consoles from the shipments were defective and prone to failure. Sony was on top of it immediately. Slims were known to combust, and Sony fixed everything immediately.

You can keep lieing to youself if you want but nobody is going to dispute that the PS2 is the 2nd most unreliable console out there.



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Millennium on 05 September 2009

Keeping an older console around is a good solution, but it is not a permanent one. Consoles wear out with time -some more quickly than others- and once a console gets past its lifetime, it rapidly becomes much harder to find. Eventually it becomes impossible.

BC gets around this by not being a console. As long as future consoles maintain proper backward compatibility, then losing the use of an older console is not nearly as much of a problem, as the newer consoles can still play the old games. This is perhaps not as profitable for the console makers -as long as you're playing old games, you're not buying new ones- but it is far better for longer-term consumers with considerable existing libraries: exactly the sort of customers these companies want to cultivate.



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theprof00 on 06 September 2009
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Or you could have just bought another ps2, keeping the value of all the games you had, because you surely lost a lot of the value by selling them.

and then buy another one.... and another one.... then a bunch of second hand ones.....

 

 

The failure rate was not that bad. In fact, most of the problems ps2s ran into was lens motor, which occurred due to overuse of the system.

So, you can always just tighten the arm on the motor or you can buy another one.

This arm is the one thing that affected ps2s over anything else, which either gave a clicking noise, or made no noise whatsoever.

No... it was that bad. 

Sony lost MULTIPLE lawsuits because of it.

It was right up there with the 360.


Infact when polled the failure rate was well above 50% just like the 360.  Both likely overblown.  But they were the same level.

SO a guaranteed break within two years? That's a no.

failure rate does have something to do with time as well. 50% means one out of two break within a year. That's simply not true.

There were two or three shipments out of the 150M or so consoles that had problems. This is the reality:

Optical arm is wear and tear, not failure or defect. I'd like to see a graph from a well respected source showing how failure prone the ps2 was.

Me and my roommate had two ps2s, both died. Due to problems with the lens, either dust or the motor arm. Both were 6+ years old. Which would be a 15% failure rate, if those were failures. Which they are not, they are issues of wear and tear. The difference? One is based on how the console is made, and the other is based on how the console exists in my environment.

Those consoles from the shipments were defective and prone to failure. Sony was on top of it immediately. Slims were known to combust, and Sony fixed everything immediately.

You can keep lieing to youself if you want but nobody is going to dispute that the PS2 is the 2nd most unreliable console out there.

In the same way that home schooling is the second most popular way to school your children.



durtysouthhustlah on 06 September 2009

So let me get this straight - Sony says they created BC last gen. Earlier this gen, said it was a core value. Dumped it to save money and make on the fence gamers piss and get off the pot and work two jobs to pay for a PS3 - and buy games. And SONY really thought gamers would embrace this strategy?

So, they release a slim model - but with the same gaming lineup. While I think there will be a good bump in sales, it will fall flat once everyone who wants a Slim will get one at that price.

Games - and Sony gave the finger to several million gamers by removing BC.

Have you noticed for the 360 side of things a few old titles are still selling - Halo and Halo 2. Guess what? Those are Xbox titles. And people are still buying them.

I absolutely love how folks are quick to say 'You want to play games, buy a PS2.' That's not what Sony said earlier this gen. The PS2 was still selling - and they had it in the PS3. What changed? Instead of keeping PS2 BC in the PS3 to migrate several gamers, they expected to gain gamers through osmosis.

BC was the tipping point for a lot of gamers. I remember when Sony announced pricing for the PS3. Folks cringed, but a few diehards were like 'I'm still buying ones." Other waited for the price to go down. When it did, they found out the BC was gone and just gave up. Though it matters nothing to you - though it's a feature you could care less for, a lot - I mean a lot of gamers love the feature. I do play old GTA games on my PS3 - San Andreas - and love it.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, and find comfort in your happy place. Just like the negative IGN top 25 consoles, just like the 8M console lead, just like the *negative* news articles by Gebx, none of it exists. Ignore it and hope it goes away.



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Kasz216 on 06 September 2009
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Or you could have just bought another ps2, keeping the value of all the games you had, because you surely lost a lot of the value by selling them.

and then buy another one.... and another one.... then a bunch of second hand ones.....

 

 

The failure rate was not that bad. In fact, most of the problems ps2s ran into was lens motor, which occurred due to overuse of the system.

So, you can always just tighten the arm on the motor or you can buy another one.

This arm is the one thing that affected ps2s over anything else, which either gave a clicking noise, or made no noise whatsoever.

No... it was that bad. 

Sony lost MULTIPLE lawsuits because of it.

It was right up there with the 360.


Infact when polled the failure rate was well above 50% just like the 360.  Both likely overblown.  But they were the same level.

SO a guaranteed break within two years? That's a no.

failure rate does have something to do with time as well. 50% means one out of two break within a year. That's simply not true.

There were two or three shipments out of the 150M or so consoles that had problems. This is the reality:

Optical arm is wear and tear, not failure or defect. I'd like to see a graph from a well respected source showing how failure prone the ps2 was.

Me and my roommate had two ps2s, both died. Due to problems with the lens, either dust or the motor arm. Both were 6+ years old. Which would be a 15% failure rate, if those were failures. Which they are not, they are issues of wear and tear. The difference? One is based on how the console is made, and the other is based on how the console exists in my environment.

Those consoles from the shipments were defective and prone to failure. Sony was on top of it immediately. Slims were known to combust, and Sony fixed everything immediately.

You can keep lieing to youself if you want but nobody is going to dispute that the PS2 is the 2nd most unreliable console out there.

In the same way that home schooling is the second most popular way to school your children.

That would make sense if there were only 2 consoles ever.  As there aren't... and just about anyone will tell you PS2s are of questionable quality.... with the only dissenters being sony fanboys....

Or is just that a lot of people calling reliability a factor just a coincidence?



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lolita on 06 September 2009

When you don't have a big living room and you have all of this gen's consoles, you want BC because there isn't much room left for anything else. Plus matter of personal preferences, I HATE to have many wires all over the place. It's annoying.

Oh and I didn't know it made the games smoother looking, I thought it only upscaled them. Another good point!



rapsuperstar31 on 06 September 2009
theprof00 said:
so then get a ps2.
Most ps2 games are really cheap now compared to when they were released. Well, when BC was standard, Sony was basically selling you a ps2 with every ps3. Now you have the option.

Hey Richie-Rich, not everybody wants to waste $100 on something they should not have to.  Maybe I should go buy Gamecube to play some of the of the old gamecube games...oh wait thats right I have a Wii and don't need to own a 2nd system for that!!  You have your opinion and thats fine, but don't you find it odd that your basically arguing against 40 people with maybe one or two people on your side.  If you wan't to waste money on something unecesary, be my guest but the majority of us would prefer BC.



Darc Requiem on 06 September 2009
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Or you could have just bought another ps2, keeping the value of all the games you had, because you surely lost a lot of the value by selling them.

and then buy another one.... and another one.... then a bunch of second hand ones.....

 

 

The failure rate was not that bad. In fact, most of the problems ps2s ran into was lens motor, which occurred due to overuse of the system.

So, you can always just tighten the arm on the motor or you can buy another one.

This arm is the one thing that affected ps2s over anything else, which either gave a clicking noise, or made no noise whatsoever.

And to back up Kaz216's correct assessment

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=7139

 



Seinfeld on 06 September 2009

If they can't include PS2 BC, it would be great if they at least make a hardware attachment that allows you to play PS2 games on a PS3.

That way there can be less clutter around a TV, upscaled visuals, and possibly digital distribution of PS2 games.



d21lewis on 06 September 2009
Seinfeld said:
If they can't include PS2 BC, it would be great if they at least make a hardware attachment that allows you to play PS2 games on a PS3.

That way there can be less clutter around a TV, upscaled visuals, and possibly digital distribution of PS2 games.

That's actually a good idea.  That way, those who want BC can have it and those who don't want it can save money!