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ZenfoldorVGI said:
Slimebeast said:

What does this mean btw?

On a LCD, and to a lesser extent plasma, the ms rating is not related to gaming latency. MS latency of 2, can oftent lead to a real MS latency of 20-50milliseconds.

This, I believe, is showing trailing via input latency. The more processing an image has, the higher latency.

The LN52B750, with the amp on, has very high gaming latency, because it uses an assload of image processing, and the inherant latency of the LCD comes into play as well.

Thus, the LN52B750, has a game mode, which reduces picture quality(you won't be able to tell) but decreases latency. My Guitar Hero metallica on my B750 is about 20ms, which is low for a LCD.

What you see there, is a representation of that lag, via something like the Wii remote, or a mouse.

 

I BELIEVE.

In actuality, I have no idea, but that is my best guess.

 

The 7000 has some serious flashlighting and clouding issues in screen uniformity. You might be playing the panel lottery. Make sure you get a SQ01, which means that Sammy actually made the panel, and didn't outsource it. It'll be on the right hand side by the seriel number.

Get the biggest set. When it comes to TVs, you can never get one that's too big. Remember that.


I get confused by these model numbers. "Samsung 7-series UE 40B7050" "LN 52B750". Whats the difference between UE and LN? And the OP is talking about the 6-series -does the 6-series come with both LED and without LED support?

If im gonna spend $2800 on a 46 inch I really wanna get a proper or even perfect TV.



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I got a 55" Samsung Series 8 LED (UA55B8000) last week, its an awesome unit. Just waiting for my B&W MT-30 speaker system and Harman Kardon AV receiver which was supposed to arrive 2 days ago :(

Samsung's do come with the worst out of the box video settings of all manufacturers. Google the model number to get some suggested settings from the AV formums and make sure you upgrade the firmware to the latest version too.

After some tinkering with mine I had it looking ok, upgraded the firmware and it looks lifelike now. May get a PS3 Slim on the weekend to hook up to it as a local retailer has a decent deal for one. Will get a 360 either with the ODST Elite bundle or see if theres a better bundle for Xmas.



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Infamy79 said:
I got a 55" Samsung Series 8 LED (UA55B8000) last week, its an awesome unit. Just waiting for my B&W MT-30 speaker system and Harman Kardon AV receiver which was supposed to arrive 2 days ago :(

Samsung's do come with the worst out of the box video settings of all manufacturers. Google the model number to get some suggested settings from the AV formums and make sure you upgrade the firmware to the latest version too.

After some tinkering with mine I had it looking ok, upgraded the firmware and it looks lifelike now. May get a PS3 Slim on the weekend to hook up to it as a local retailer has a decent deal for one. Will get a 360 either with the ODST Elite bundle or see if theres a better bundle for Xmas.


So is your telly the big brother to the series im talking about (7-series)? Only with higher Mhz n stuff.

How much is the 55 inch cost ? And compared to 40+46 inch in 8-series? U recomend?



Slimebeast said:


I get confused by these model numbers. "Samsung 7-series UE 40B7050" "LN 52B750". Whats the difference between UE and LN? And the OP is talking about the 6-series -does the 6-series come with both LED and without LED support?

If im gonna spend $2800 on a 46 inch I really wanna get a proper or even perfect TV.

Those more expensive ones are LED, and their advantage is local dimming. They allow certain parts of the screen to basically "turn off" the backlight in certain areas in order to create pure blacks. These sets are in their early stages, however, and havn't satisfactorily addresses the issue of flashlighting and screen uniformity like the older tech, LCD has.

Again, LCD is at the pinnicle of its technology. It is not likely to get better in the future. OLED sets will begin to take over as they become more advanced and have all the advantages of LCD and Plasma with few of the weaknesses.

The perfect TV this year is the LN52B750. Enough said. I'm not here to sell it, I'm just stating a commonly held belief. At AVSforums, most people doubt LCD will get better than this, and the common user won't be able to tell the difference between the black levels on this LCD and pure black.

If you are only paying 2800 for an OLED TV, you are probably going to end up dissapointed, as you'll get a lot of the issues common to the lower end Samsung LCDs.

...as for out of the box, Samsung varies, but I do a little home calibration, and my LN52B750 was closer to truecolor than my Veria was in THX mode, out of the box. Also, easier to navigate and adjust.

Do yourself a favor, go for the larger TV in LCD. LED isn't there yet, and you're overpaying out the ass.



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Slimebeast said:
Infamy79 said:
I got a 55" Samsung Series 8 LED (UA55B8000) last week, its an awesome unit. Just waiting for my B&W MT-30 speaker system and Harman Kardon AV receiver which was supposed to arrive 2 days ago :(

Samsung's do come with the worst out of the box video settings of all manufacturers. Google the model number to get some suggested settings from the AV formums and make sure you upgrade the firmware to the latest version too.

After some tinkering with mine I had it looking ok, upgraded the firmware and it looks lifelike now. May get a PS3 Slim on the weekend to hook up to it as a local retailer has a decent deal for one. Will get a 360 either with the ODST Elite bundle or see if theres a better bundle for Xmas.


So is your telly the big brother to the series im talking about (7-series)? Only with higher Mhz n stuff.

How much is the 55 inch cost ? And compared to 40+46 inch in 8-series? U recomend?


Yep, only difference between the 7 series and 8 series is the twice as fast resolution (200Mhz PAL/240Mhz NTSC), the media streaming features are the same. The problem in Australia (where I am), is the 7 series is exclusive to Harvey Norman stores until end of August and no other stores even have it in their system for an ETA. Even the 8 series was out of stock most places until I found one online who had the 55" 8 Series with 1 in stock so I got it in 2 business days. I paid AUD$5500 for it, which isn't cheap, but its RRP is AUD$6999 so I did ok. The 7 Series in Harvey Norman is about the same price as what I paid. The other alternative I was looking at was the 60" Pioneer Kuro, I found a store which still had the last of them in the country, but they were over AUD$10k, I couldn't justify that compared to the Samsung. The plasmas are so much heavier and more expensive to run with power requirements that it was just silly. The difference in picure quality isn't enough to justify paying double the cost.

Only downside to the screen is that it doesn't have local dimming, you have to wait for the 8500 line later in the year for that or the Series 9, but they will be even more expensive again. Now I have the settings tuned properly I don't notice any flashlighting at all, the blacks are very very good, not plasma or OLED good, but close enough. If you can justify the cost, I can definitely recommed one, although I haven't tested out the connectivity functions yet, I have to wait for my new NAS to turn up. Video plays great off a USB stick though.



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Samsung LEDs aren't exactly fit to be gamer TVs as they have too high input lag (and their "game mode" turns off the local dimming of the LED backlight, so all the glorious contrast advantages over the normal LCDs are gone)



Lafiel said:
Samsung LEDs aren't exactly fit to be gamer TVs as they have too high input lag (and their "game mode" turns off the local dimming of the LED backlight, so all the glorious contrast advantages over the normal LCDs are gone)


2ms isn't quick enough response?



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@ Infamy79 )

you are mixing up input lag and response time

older LCD TVs may have a longer response time (meaning the liquid crystals need more time to change their orientation and hence their color), but have less input lag, because the picture input the TV set gets is shown nearly instantly (CRTs still were faster), while on newer LCD TVs (and esp. LED LCDs) the picture is processed in many ways, which takes time..

LED TVs gain a brilliant contrast due to local dimming of their backlight, but to know where the TV has to dimm it's backlight each picture must be analyzed and processed .. the current gen Samsung LEDs seem to be quite slow at that resulting in a notable difference between e.g. the moment of you pressing a button and you seeing the result on the screen



Got myself a LED-tv from samsung two weeks ago, the EU46B7000 (UN46B7000 US model), and have to say picture quality is great with pretty good blacklevels. The factory settings were a bit crappy, but after adjusting it myself (which took me a whole weekend until it was to my liking) it looks great. Also great mulitmedia options in this tv, a good mediaplayer which supports most video and audiofiles and fun internet options (although not to usefull in my view).

Also gaming goes fine with this tv, though the 100Hz (120Hz) is a bit of a hit and miss. With some games like WipeOut HD and Motorstorm it helps to make the game look better and even more fluently. But with Uncharted it causes stranges artifacts and glitches. When 100Hz turned off all games work and look fine, with no problems at all. In general it's better to turn the 100Hz feature of when playing games, the extra processed frames can cause lag (of course some tv's perform better than others in this way, and i haven't seen the effect of 200/240Hz on gaming yet).

But i'm very satisfied with this LED-tv. Games and specially Blu-rays look awesome.



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Lafiel said:
@ Infamy79 )

you are mixing up input lag and response time

older LCD TVs may have a longer response time (meaning the liquid crystals need more time to change their orientation and hence their color), but have less input lag, because the picture input the TV set gets is shown nearly instantly (CRTs still were faster), while on newer LCD TVs (and esp. LED LCDs) the picture is processed in many ways, which takes time..

LED TVs gain a brilliant contrast due to local dimming of their backlight, but to know where the TV has to dimm it's backlight each picture must be analyzed and processed .. the current gen Samsung LEDs seem to be quite slow at that resulting in a notable difference between e.g. the moment of you pressing a button and you seeing the result on the screen


Well having hooked up my new PS3 Slim to it this evening and playing some Uncharted, you must run on bullet time, perhaps we should call you Neo



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