Aside from the internal programming difficulties that will continue to give developers a hard time, Sony is finally back in track with their final marketing situation of PS3:

- They dropped the price drastically, which should have been the initial, in which, it would easily challenge Wii and possibly dominate the market.

- The bulky design has finally been slimmed down.  Many people are turned off by the heavy-weight console, one of the biggest so far in history (They gotta learn how to design efficient, Sleek and economic consoles from Nintendo). The final console is alot more efficient and smaller.

- The unnecessary parts have finally been trimmed down, like Linux installation, shiny surface, or a 2 extra USB ports  etc which do nothing but inflate the costs, and/or confuse the consumers.

- They were confused and confusing, finally made their minds about several issues like ps2 compatibility etc.

- They changed their bloated minds to a more modest stance, clear from the change of logo "playstation 3 to ps3".

In short, with $300 price, and bluray, wi-fi, free internet, cheap hard drive compatibility, better first party exclusives, a much lower fail rate, and possibly a longer life (both due to greater potential and Sony's ongoing support on previous gen. consoles), Playstation 3 seems like a Much better choice now.

Xbox 360 still has advantages though... It still has...

- a greater library of games,

- a greater number of games in production (especially because of proximity to pc development, and easier programming)

- a better online service overall (although ps3 has better and more original aspects)

- a more affordable introductory option (arcade)

- a more popular situation in some countries (like America)

- a more hardcore and loyal fan-base

...

Ideas, plase!

this will end bad

yeah, it will

I dub this thread sir flamebait of flameland.

How can i summarize this thread?

oh..

The same thing PS fanboys have been saying since the launch of the PS3.

But its true,PS3 is a better value than the Elite.

and a much more loyal fanbase? LOL Does squilliam come here and create threads like this and how the 360 is superiour? 

i disagree with lots, first off laking lessoms from nintendo how making small systems, show me a nintendo that can do all the things as the ps3. the wii has nothing , no power , no memory, no hard drive, its a second gen system with a different style controller, the tech in ps3 is much newer and bigger, next 360 has a better games, hell no, not for me, in my opinion not at all, and i also have a 360, i like the 360, but the ps3 is just a better, way more reliable system, everybodies opinion is different but 360 may have a few more games, but a lot of them suck, ps3 has a lot of great games, and many more comming, next XBL, i play on both, there is not enough difference to justify paying for XBL, PSN runs better, i never slow down, have lag, no problems, now im hardwired on both ps3 and 360, i dont know if playing on a wireless ps3 connection changes that. after my gold is out on XBL in not paying again, if i do it will be month here and there, for me PS has many better games comming i will be on my ps3 playing for free, maybe saling my 360, if it stays working for a few more months

i mean seriously?
do we need another thread aout this topic ?

AGAIN

You need to add somewhere that the Xbox has backwards compatibility(though not many Xbox games are worth playing). Where as the PS3 I will need to buy a PS2 to continue to play my old games

The first is debateable, since which console has the "better library" is in the eye of the beholder, for a MGS fan like me, PS3 has MGS4, hence it has, and will always have a better library than the 360, on the other hand, a shooter fan and a WRPG will prefare the 360s library.

I don't know about the second, but I really do think that the PS3 have more (and in my opinion, beeter) games in development, however, I don't want to derail this thread into a "list war" thread.

Other than that, I pretty much agree with everything you wrote.

Here's a fun little spin on the whole BC issue, the 360 only has bc with one console and so does the ps3 therefore, all is equal in the world :D ^_^