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Words Of Wisdom said:
RolStoppable said:

A good reason despite already owning all three games would be that the first two games now incorporate the superior control scheme from Corruption. Another reason would be that it is a neat collector's item.

I should have said "misinformation" instead of "stupidity" though. The lie would be that someone pretends to be a huge fan, but still doesn't see the trilogy as being worth the money. That's something I could see "professional" reviewers doing.

New controls maybe, but at the end of the day you're just playing the same game you played years ago all over again.  You're going through the same areas, fighting the same enemies, getting the same power-ups, facing the same challenges.  Remakes and combination packages need to be judged on two levels:  appeal to existing owners and appeal to perspective owners.

MPT and Orange Box are great for people who haven't experienced the games before but there needs to be new content to appeal to existing owners.  For some, new controls and slightly updated graphics is enough to warrant a repurchase.  However, there are a lot of people like TX109 who are going to say "If I played all 3 games already and nothing significant has been added, why buy them all again?"  I mean, if they played the living daylights out of the 3 Metroid Prime games when they were first released, why not spend their money on something that provides a fresh new experience like... Boom Blox.

You dont play any VC games you owned before?



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Faxanadu said:

You dont play any VC games you owned before?

Nope.  

I own most every good game on the SNES (including a copy of Earthbound that came with the guide and scratch'n'sniff cards) and my SNES still works fine.  Same for most of the systems.



RolStoppable said:

Review scores for compilations are usually meant for perspective owners, since it's expected that existing owners already know the quality of the individual games anyway.

So you're saying that ports of old games should be treated like new games?



RolStoppable said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
RolStoppable said:

A good reason despite already owning all three games would be that the first two games now incorporate the superior control scheme from Corruption. Another reason would be that it is a neat collector's item.

I should have said "misinformation" instead of "stupidity" though. The lie would be that someone pretends to be a huge fan, but still doesn't see the trilogy as being worth the money. That's something I could see "professional" reviewers doing.

New controls maybe, but at the end of the day you're just playing the same game you played years ago all over again.  You're going through the same areas, fighting the same enemies, getting the same power-ups, facing the same challenges.  Remakes and combination packages need to be judged on two levels:  appeal to existing owners and appeal to perspective owners.

MPT and Orange Box are great for people who haven't experienced the games before but there needs to be new content to appeal to existing owners.  For some, new controls and slightly updated graphics is enough to warrant a repurchase.  However, there are a lot of people like TX109 who are going to say "If I played all 3 games already and nothing significant has been added, why buy them all again?"  I mean, if they played the living daylights out of the 3 Metroid Prime games when they were first released, why not spend their money on something that provides a fresh new experience like... Boom Blox.

This isn't about TX109 though, it's about the justification of the 1UP score for which you used his comment. Review scores for compilations are usually meant for perspective owners, since it's expected that existing owners already know the quality of the individual games anyway. Which is exactly what brought up the question why 1UP scored MPT lower in the first place.

Because 1UP is a collection of incoherent, baffling, asses. I thought you knew that.

I've never played Metroid before. This game doesn't deserve a B+ since those who never played it will have an amazing time. It is a compilation of three awesome games, how does it deserve an 88? Did the quality of MP1 and MP2 decline? Due to the Wiimote? What idiots.



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RE4 should have lower score too then. Since it's just RE4 with new controls...



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RolStoppable said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
RolStoppable said:

Review scores for compilations are usually meant for perspective owners, since it's expected that existing owners already know the quality of the individual games anyway.

So you're saying that ports of old games should be treated like new games?

They usually are and pretty much always they get a lower score than their original release. The exception being enhanced ports which have a good chance to maintain the score and compilations which might actually get a higher score because of their value.

And should MPT get a higher score because of its value?



Galaki said:
RE4 should have lower score too then. Since it's just RE4 with new controls...

RE4 Wii edition is basically the same upgrade that MP1 and 2 were. Slight graphical updates and new Wii controls.

 

So why did RE4 get rated so high and MPT didn't? I'd like to hear WoW's opinion.

 

Well MPT is rated very high still. I'd like to change my wording to "more favorable reviews" meaning the content in the review. Reviewers don't seem to appreciate the remakes of MP1 and 2 as much as they did for RE4. Maybe I'm remembering wrong?



Words Of Wisdom said:
RolStoppable said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
RolStoppable said:

Review scores for compilations are usually meant for perspective owners, since it's expected that existing owners already know the quality of the individual games anyway.

So you're saying that ports of old games should be treated like new games?

They usually are and pretty much always they get a lower score than their original release. The exception being enhanced ports which have a good chance to maintain the score and compilations which might actually get a higher score because of their value.

And should MPT get a higher score because of its value?

I paid 50 Euro for MP3 not even a year ago.

You decide.



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RolStoppable said:

Probably not, because the first MP was revolutionary and of course it isn't anymore seven years later, so this little score bonus from back then is no longer valid. On the other hand the new controls improve the game.

Overall the fairest way would be a score that settles somewhere in the middle of the three individual games, because while there is nothing revolutionary about them anymore, it's still a package of three great games for the price of one. I don't see how someone could justify to give MPT a lower score than each individual game. They aged very well, even more so with the updated controls.

Even the original has aged well?  I was reading the thread about differences and saw that there were few minor graphic improvements too.



Words Of Wisdom said:
RolStoppable said:

Probably not, because the first MP was revolutionary and of course it isn't anymore seven years later, so this little score bonus from back then is no longer valid. On the other hand the new controls improve the game.

Overall the fairest way would be a score that settles somewhere in the middle of the three individual games, because while there is nothing revolutionary about them anymore, it's still a package of three great games for the price of one. I don't see how someone could justify to give MPT a lower score than each individual game. They aged very well, even more so with the updated controls.

Even the original has aged well?  I was reading the thread about differences and saw that there were few minor graphic improvements too.

Are you saying it as a good or bad thing?



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you