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ZenfoldorVGI on 30 August 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Ok, question. Does anyone here actually subscribe to the conspiracy theory that FFXIII was indeed a multiplat from the start of its development, and has been drastically dumbed down in order to accommodate DVD's size limitation, meaning everything that has ever been said about the game from Sony, Microsoft, and Square-Enix is a conspiratorial lie with the intent to deceive, all because of KoToR and its impact on the worldwide gaming audience?

That is the articles conclusion, btw.

Also, that games like Tales of Vesperia are automatically inferior because they're multiplats, and would be better, were they PS3 exclusives, because of BR, and the graphical potential Killzone 2 has shown us, and that in fact, all games would be better, if they were PS3 exclusives.

That the game was MP to begin with? Maybe, highly unlikely though.

Tales of Vesperia? Yes, it is better on PS3 due to bluray. Had the game been a similtaneous release we would all be getting the bare minimum(360's level of content). Seeing as the game gets a delayed release it comes with oodles of more stuff, in effort to utilizing all it has to offer. Just look at all the extra content the PS3 version will be getting.

Killzone 2? self explainatory

 

I dont believe it was MP from the start but I do believe that year and some change where all the FF fans were going nuts due to serious lack of any info or update on the game was due to some internal workings. Remember that FFXIII was already completely designed(story/concept wise) and had already begun DEVELOPMENT on the PS2. SE got wind of the PS3 and the popularity of FFVII Advent Children and the game was remodeled for next gen. That should mean the game was already planned out for the most part, few tweaks here and there. What the hell else was taking so long. Why not an ounce of info for so long?

And there is no denying that Square Enix lied to their fans about FFXIII.....many times over....

Aren't you aware that the game is in a lower resolution on the PS3, and do you really expect me to believe that the new content wasn't on the 360, because of space limitations?

As for the conspiracy theory, you obviously don't subscribe to it, but it does seem that you support the chiding of Square and FFXIII, because of the multiplat announcement, based on your post there, and you also believe some things that just aren't true. Like the assumption that a game launched on 2 discs is inferior to a game launched on one, or that BR makes a significant difference in the quality of any given game. Or that Square would or should put as much graphical power into a 60 hour JRPG  as Sony did into Killzone 2, if only that game was on the PS3.

Exclusives being "better" than multiplats on the whole has everything to do with operating budgets and title importance, than it does with individual system limitations, but let's not get into anything that complex. Games are easy to scale down. Needless to say that the biggest, and yes, some of the best games, are multiplats this gen, Orange Box, GTAIV, Fallout 3, RE5, Bioshock, and MW1/2. All have great graphics, and surpass most exclusives on all consoles in terms of reviews, sales, and in the vast majority of cases, graphics. They didn't need the crutch of being labeled "exclusive" and overhype to be the best.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that FFXIII will join that list of great "better than exclusive" games this gen. What's wrong here is your perception of exclusives, built around hype level of games, and love of a console, and its exclusive games, along with the biased perception that the 360 is somehow significantly inferior for gaming.

It's just wrong, imho.



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

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Xxain on 30 August 2009

obviously FF13 will be in the better than exclusive list



Jumpin on 30 August 2009

JRPG is a redundant term; almost all RPGs that matter are Japanese. The North American ones are aimed at the type of gamer who worships Starwars, dungeons and Dragons, and sits in front of his computer all night, every night.



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ZenfoldorVGI on 30 August 2009
outlawauron said:
@ Zen

I'd argue that an exclusive has a much higher chance of being better than a multiplatform game because the developers can focus on only one platform.

Well, I don't think the numbers would back you up on that. Not sure though. I know that there are a lot less exclusives, than multiplats, so I'm sure that at first glance, the multiplats would appear to be worse, but the top 10 games of this generation...are they exclusive? I don't think they are. Sure, exclusives have more money and hype poured into them, but the best multiplats this gen have also achieved the level of graphics and quality the top tier exclusives have, and in most cases surpassed them.

RE5, Modern Warfare, Fallout 3, GTAIV, The Orange Box, Braid, Bioshock.

Those games are vastly better than most of our overhyped exclusives.

That said, do you really think Gears 2 couldn't be done on the PS3, or that MGS4 couldn't be done on the 360? That's just silly, imo. MGS4 has no large open areas without loading, and the "extra content" we got due to BR, was the ability for Kojima to dumb extra languages and 1080p unrelated video in our laps, because he could, not because he needed to(opening gameshow scene anyone?).

Also, with secondary installs, DLC, and mulitple discs, space isn't a issue for the 360, anymore than disc speed is an issue for the PS3.

Now, with KZ2, we've seen what's possible on a console. However, the next game in line to surpass that mark, is on the 360. It's Forza 3.

I'm not saying the 360 is as powerful as the PS3. I'm saying that it's close enough, that it's not going to make a difference in the case of a high budget multiplat. It's almost childish to me, to assume that "It's on the 360, that means the game will be worse because of the hardware." I mean, it's that a huge generalization? Isn't it wrong?

The small amount of stuff that they would have to cut out of the game, or reduce, wouldn't make or break the game, and in fact, it very likely wouldn't diminish the experience whatsoever. There is no PS3 game I've played that has impressed me to the level of Crysis. The difference there is vast. However, if Crysis was ported to the PS3, it wouldn't be any worse. Not really. There would be some small differences graphically, but it would still be the same game, a port.

I think the mindset is this: They are going to have to spend a lot of time working on the differences between versions, so the game will suffer from a development perspective.......or......they are going to halfass the game because they don't put as much importance into it as they would a multiplat.....or......the game would have been so much better as an exclusive.

It wouldn't have been. It would be the same great, or sorry, piece of shit, just in a slightly different, shinier or duller package. The consoles are so similar, that it's just not feasable.

This isn't just any multiplat. It's Final Fantasy. Square screws it up on their own, or wins on their own, imho.

I direct this last paragraph at the original article:

The article in the OP is obviously built up angst and frusteration over losing FFXIII as a PS3 exclusive, and there is so much paranoia and ignorance being built up around that anger, it's like a wall. It's hard to break through that wall, and the article in the OP is reinforcing it with concrete, and trying to bring every nar-do-well's fears to the forefront of discussion, and it is absolutely frusterating.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

ZenfoldorVGI on 30 August 2009

One thing this article tries to convince us of, is that FFXIII would look like FFVII:AdventChildren, if it were on the PS3, but since it's also on 360, it just looks like a regular videogame. They say that the "vision" of the game was compromised, when at inception, it was decided to be multiplat(conspiracy theory bullshit).

That's just ignorant. No one here would claim that the game would look vastly better than Killzone 2(or even as good), were it a PS3 exclusive.

This article is on the fringe, and I wish the PS3 fans would actually read this dribble before defending it.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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themanwithnoname on 30 August 2009
Xxain said:
deathgod33 said:
themanwithnoname said:
The author needs to pull his head out of Sony's ass and take a look around. Whipping out the Xbox LIVE top 10 list is pathetic...is there one RPG on there? No! It's not as popular a genre as the shooters and never will be. A majority of the 360's exclusive JRPGs are new IPs. Nevermind the fact that the last exclusive JRPG the 360 had was Star Ocean, and that wouldn't be in the top 10 games played on the PS3 either. Also, a majority of the e Speaking of the PS3, somebody enlighten me as to how many JRPGs have broken 1 million on it? The way this guy's talking, you'd think it's 20.

This is no different than the people crying about Square backstabbing Sony, when they did it to Nintendo when switching to the PS1.

completeley agree with every word you said.

 

not releasing a 360 version in Japan was smart, it wouldn't of sold more than 1/100th of PS3's sales, though a Wii version would of been even morer smarter considering it's much larger userbase in Japan.

and releasing a 360 version in America was the smartest thing they could of done, why are PS3 fanboys complaining, Square is spending truckloads of money on the game and if they release FF13 for 360 in America, it would without a doubt outsell the PS3 version there- that is a lot more profit they are making, or at least a lot more money they are getting back after losing trillions on development.

 

and about PS3 fanboys claiming 360 has no JRPG fanbase, then let me tell you two of the highest PS3 selling games- Call of Duty 4 (FPS), GTA4 (no idea what the overal genre is but definitely not a JRPG) and when MF2 releases, another FPS, that will be PS3's highest selling game, (at least until GT5 comes)

 

once again, more people get to play a AAA game :D, let's be happy and just wait for the game to come.

2 things wrong in this: 1. Well lets start by saying FF13 PS3 WILL outsell 360 version in All territories

 

2. u do kno that other than the ES port PS3 does not have a JRPG available right??? and also nobody said that all JRPG's will be top sellers on PS3, but would they have sold better on PS3...hea yea and Tales of Vesperia and SO4 port will prove that

The only example we have is Eternal Sonata, which has sold better on the 360.



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gera4390 on 31 August 2009

I'm pissed I bet that the final quality of the game will be downgraded, thanks to the port!!



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Xxain on 31 August 2009

@at noname im not even goin to comment on this..that was resolved in a previous post



themanwithnoname on 31 August 2009
ultraslick said:
deathgod33 said:
themanwithnoname said:
The author needs to pull his head out of Sony's ass and take a look around. Whipping out the Xbox LIVE top 10 list is pathetic...is there one RPG on there? No! It's not as popular a genre as the shooters and never will be. A majority of the 360's exclusive JRPGs are new IPs. Nevermind the fact that the last exclusive JRPG the 360 had was Star Ocean, and that wouldn't be in the top 10 games played on the PS3 either. Also, a majority of the e Speaking of the PS3, somebody enlighten me as to how many JRPGs have broken 1 million on it? The way this guy's talking, you'd think it's 20.

This is no different than the people crying about Square backstabbing Sony, when they did it to Nintendo when switching to the PS1.

completeley agree with every word you said.

 

not releasing a 360 version in Japan was smart, it wouldn't of sold more than 1/100th of PS3's sales, though a Wii version would of been even more smarter considering it's much larger userbase in Japan.

and releasing a 360 version in America was the smartest thing they could of done, why are PS3 fanboys complaining, Square is spending truckloads of money on the game and if they release FF13 for 360 in America, it would without a doubt outsell the PS3 version there- that is a lot more profit they are making, or at least a lot more money they are getting back after losing trillions on development.

 

and about PS3 fanboys claiming 360 has no JRPG fanbase, then let me tell you two of the highest PS3 selling games- Call of Duty 4 (FPS), GTA4 (no idea what the overal genre is but definitely not a JRPG) and when MF2 releases, another FPS, that will be PS3's highest selling game, (at least until GT5 comes)

 

once again, more people get to play a AAA game :D, let's be happy and just wait for the game to come.

While thinking like that is all well and good...

what if the PS3 got the Halo and Gears franchises, (I know Halo is Microsoft 1st party) more people would be able to play those AAA games too, wouldn't they???

Yes, but this stealing of exclusive franchises game that Microsoft is playing is making the PS3 and 360 indistinguishable from one another. Having specific titles for specific platforms is what makes video games fun. It adds a dynamic competitve edge to which system has the most exclusives.

Final Fantasy is a Playstation game. No one should want it to be multiplatform. In a perfect world no console should ever share a game with another. Every game would be exclusive. Imagine how sweet that would be. Imagine the competition among Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo. Imagine the competition among the fans, among the developers!

It would drive the industry forward like never before. While this is basically impossible and never going to happen, Sony is in the business of constantly CREATING new franchises and games. Microsoft seems to be in the business of................ buying Sony's games.

fanboy anger is not inborn, it is created.

Who are you to tell people what they want? You know what, as a 360 owner, I'm HAPPY Microsoft went out and got Final Fantasy. Why? I haven't played any since VIII, have been wanting to for awhile, and now I don't have to pay $300 to get a chance to play it. This "Final Fantasy is a Playstation game" is nothing more than fanboy BS. Are we ignoring the first 6 titles that were released before there was a PlayStation?

 

If every game was an exclusive, there would be a whole lot less sales, and a whole lot of people missing out on great games. I don't see why it matters at all if it's still on the freaking PS3.



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themanwithnoname on 31 August 2009
Jumpin said:
JRPG is a redundant term; almost all RPGs that matter are Japanese. The North American ones are aimed at the type of gamer who worships Starwars, dungeons and Dragons, and sits in front of his computer all night, every night.

Really? Do I need to even drag out the laundry list that is JRPG stereotypes? *facepalm*



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