The difficulty with the game argument is that it is terribly slanted. For instance every console loyalist can spread a thick morass of the killer games on their console. Equally valid, and deep as the other consoles. What matters is the plethora of titles. Two or three fantastic games cannot prop up a console. You need to have dozens. Microsoft and Nintendo both have answers to the Sony lineup. Further more they will have a much stronger library then Sony.

The software argument is a blind argument. The person making the statement is blinded by the impending lineup on their console, and sadly ignoring the lineup on the other console. All Nintendo, and Microsoft need to do is remain relatively close, and Sony will gain no momentum over their rivals.

Hmm making i could show some awsome pics as well, really it only comes down to that ps3 has a few well more known things coming in 08


o also, i think Banjo is a proven IP, and Halo wars, just cause it has the name halo in it, along with the possible halo project.

Dodece said: The difficulty with the game argument is that it is terribly slanted. For instance every console loyalist can spread a thick morass of the killer games on their console. Equally valid, and deep as the other consoles. What matters is the plethora of titles. Two or three fantastic games cannot prop up a console. You need to have dozens. Microsoft and Nintendo both have answers to the Sony lineup. Further more they will have a much stronger library then Sony. The software argument is a blind argument. The person making the statement is blinded by the impending lineup on their console, and sadly ignoring the lineup on the other console. All Nintendo, and Microsoft need to do is remain relatively close, and Sony will gain no momentum over their rivals.

But you have to admit that some games are guaranteed successes, while others aren't. Games like Super Mario Galaxy, MGS, SSBB, FF, all of these are practically guaranteed to be great and sell well. The 360 has many many titles coming out next year, but how many of them are sure-fire successes? How many of them will sell at least a few million?

NG didn't sell much more than 1 mil. because of it's difficulty. Fable was a success, but other than that what do they have that is guaranteed to succeed and thus help sell more consoles? Hell, Fable 2 may not even make it out in '08. As for new IPs, Lost Oddysey, Alan Wake, etc. could all end up critical failures like Blue Dragon or, even worse, commercial failures like Warhawk.

Also, you have to remember that in Japan, games like DMC4 are essentially ps3 exclusive (some like RE5 will actually only be released on the ps3 in Japan), and those will help sell a lot of consoles over there, picking up the slack in the States and elsewhere.

Lost tears of Kain said: Hmm making i could show some awsome pics as well, really it only comes down to that ps3 has a few well more known things coming in 08 o also, i think Banjo is a proven IP, and Halo wars, just cause it has the name halo in it, along with the possible halo project.

But see, the notoriety of these titles is what makes them so important. Why do the LotR movies do so well, despite the fact that 90% of people can't stand to sit through one in it's entirety?  Why do the Harry Potter movies do so well, despite the fact that they butcher the stories, have a screwy plot that you won't understand unless you read the books, and that can't even stay true to each other (i.e., the set changes between 2 and 3)?  It's all in the name.

About those games, Banjo ain't coming until '09. All they've shown so far is one CGI trailer back at X06 last September. Killzone 2 anyone?

As for Halo Wars, yeah it has the Halo name, but it's an RTS, and I still don't think an RTS will be that successful on a console. If it was debuting simultaneously pc/360, then I could see it selling pretty well.

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makingmusic476 said: elnino334 said: BenKenobi88 said: I think the PS3 could pull ahead of the 360...the PS3's future titles seem more interesting than the 360's in my opinion. And it certainly does have some potential once developers figure it all out...none of this "Lair only uses 30% of the Cell" crap though...it's not like we're going to skip a generation in graphics or anything.   After looking at the list of release tittles for the 360/PS3 on a post I made most or like 75% of the games seem like they where multiplatform. Of course this could change but I be curious to know which games your refering to or do you just mean KZ2, FF and GT etc? I know my cousin can't wait for Little Big Planet and who knows what other games are lined up. I mean those games could make for a big push for the PS3 which is great. One thing I am waiting for is for this holiday to pass to see what games MS has lined up for us for 2008 and beyond that just haven't been announced. I mean imagine if gears of war 2 comes out next holiday. GTA4 should sell more on the 360 not just because of the installed base but the extra content should sway many gamers to that version. If one thing is certain so far regarding the 360 is that the owners are going out and buying many games as indicated by the incredibly high attach rate. You buy a 360 to play games vs there might be some people who just wanted a cheap blu-ray player.  GTA extra content won't do much for the 360.  How many people will know about it besides guys like us that spend all their time on a video game forum?

If they're smart Microsoft will put out their own commercials, or funnel some more money to rockstar to mention the extra cotent in their commercials around GTA's launch date. Extra content ONLY on the 360 might be a draw. But as for why people think it will "surge" ahead. I think they're expecting both a burst in PS3 sales and a huge dropoff in 360 sales where almost nobody is buying them. Likely around the same time they expect the Wii will also lose appeal and suddenly drop off and have almost no sales.

makingmusic476 said: Lost tears of Kain said: Hmm making i could show some awsome pics as well, really it only comes down to that ps3 has a few well more known things coming in 08 o also, i think Banjo is a proven IP, and Halo wars, just cause it has the name halo in it, along with the possible halo project. But see, the notoriety of these titles is what makes them so important. Why do the LotR movies do so well, despite the fact that 90% of people can't stand to sit through one in it's entirety?  Why do the Harry Potter movies do so well, despite the fact that they butcher the stories, have a screwy plot that you won't understand unless you read the books, and that can't even stay true to each other (i.e., the set changes between 2 and 3)?  It's all in the name. About those games, Banjo ain't coming until '09. All they've shown so far is one CGI trailer back at X06 last September. Killzone 2 anyone? As for Halo Wars, yeah it has the Halo name, but it's an RTS, and I still don't think an RTS will be that successful on a console. If it was debuting simultaneously pc/360, then I could see it selling pretty well.

then technically ff 13 isnt till 09 as well, theyve shown 2 trailers for it, and one was behind doors

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Alright Making music, ive got some 360 pics to show you, like the ps3, this is why the 360 sales will NOT suddenly just drop off and die

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and of course the always possible........

I admit I forgot about Splinter Cell, and for the rest....new IPs, just like I was saying.

Also, I've never said that the360 would just stop selling. I just said that the ps3's sales would pickup, and it would start outselling the 360.

Elveon looks awesome, as usual. Is that a WRPG? I hope not. I'm really looking forward to that one, but if it ends up being like Oblivion full of long ass side quests involving long, boring dungeons and characters that have no emotion whatsoever I may have to pass. I hope it focuses more on combat and has a very gripping story.