@ ironman
One example:
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
That's extreme misinformation, countless fanboys made themselves look like fools because of such behaviour. Should nobody counter this? Sadly fanboys direct their anger at the wrong people, they should rather re-direct their anger towards Microsoft.
I would say your earlier post on the xenos and rsx makes you just as guilty as the website you linked.
You haven't shown any proof to back up what you and only one other person on the internet (who happens to be on this website) claim.
| MikeB said: @ ironman One example: http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html That's extreme misinformation, countless fanboys made themselves look like fools because of such behaviour. Should nobody counter this? Sadly fanboys direct their anger at the wrong people, they should rather re-direct their anger towards Microsoft. |
That has nothing to do with what we were talking about. Stop trying to move the conversation on to something else. Answer my question, Why is MS so bad?
| MikeB said: @ ironman One example: http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html That's extreme misinformation, countless fanboys made themselves look like fools because of such behaviour. Should nobody counter this? Sadly fanboys direct their anger at the wrong people, they should rather re-direct their anger towards Microsoft. |
How about all the trouble you caused on this site with your misinformation saying the Bluray drive on the PS3 was faster than the 360 DVD drive (just one example). It was complete bullshit but even when proved completely wrong without doubt you would not admit you were wrong publically and proceeded to try and change the topic by trolling some other aspect of the 360 instead.
You're no better than the people you're insulting about using that article, at least some of them could probably conceed they were wrong, you have never done so, despite being proven wrong MANY times. Once again I see despite the mods having basically told you not to start trouble with a 360 v PS3 thread (they locked your last one) you've decided to start it again in an effort to annoy people. Can't wait for your next enforced vacation, I only hope its longer.
| MikeB said: I have been attacked by many fanboys for my "insane long term outlook" regarding the PS3 here on VGChartz in the past. It now seems like my anticipation for a slimline PS3 by 2009 back in 2006 have been correct and not that insane at all as some made this out to be. A former summary:
MikeB wrote at the start of 2009 (2nd of January): I anticipate around 10 million sales per year on average, until the release of a "PSThree", then I expect the PS3 to sell around 15 million on average.
So 2007 + 2008, about 20 million, I anticipate a slimline PS3 to launch somewhere in 2009. http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1622174
"Lots of my past writings are available on the internet, want me to look them up for you? I also predicted in mid 2005 that it would be troublesome to get legacy engines onto the Cell's SPEs, so it's not all just rosey expectations neither.
I expect the PS3 to continue to perform roughly on par with XBox 360 sales from the year before, until Killzone 2, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy XIII and Metal Gear Solid 4 are all on the market (when that will be exactly may not even be known to the developers themselves."
"Last year at the beginning of the PS3's launch I said the PS2 would be the big winner for christmas 2006 (I was right with regard to that one) and expected the PS3's first real sales victory worldwide over the XBox 360 for christmas 2007, I still think so, as data so far seems to back up my expectations."
"I always thought Japan would turn PS3 as soon as Metal Gear Solid 4 and / or Final Fantasy XIII hit the market"
I was talking about Christmas 2007.
For 2006 my prediction is that the Playstation 2 will be on top (not counting the handhelds). Nintendo Wii and PS3 will sell as much as their companies can produce. I think 2006 will also be a good year for the XBox 360 in closing, but will not get close to PS2 figures."
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Look guys seriously! This is a forum about video games and there are fans in either camp. Half the fun of this forums is making predictions, posting, and defending them whether they are right wrong or otherwise. Why does anyone even bother getting angry by absurd assumptions, smug remarks, or any other kind: THAT'S THE POINT! The Internet is there to state opinions and slander anonymously. In all honesty, the complete lack of thick skin is absurd to me.
I have to wonder about this flame war between Mike B and Kowenicki that's been happening at least once a week. Both of you need to fight it out on a street, get bloody, laugh at each other for the absolute pointlessness, buy eachother a beer, and forget about it all. If it weren't for your love of your respected systems chances are it sounds like you guys would be excellent friends.
This is a game in the most traditional sense of the term (reference Eric Byrne). People make predictions, they choose sides, they defend those points. It's a glorfied ongoing debate with a little teasing here and there. Both camps (360 and PS3 defenders alike) have had bad predictions, get over it and deal when someone rubs their correct predictions in the other party's face. This should be fun, or at least I think its fun! Make assumptions, defend your points (with facts, speculation, or a combination of the two) tease each other, but by God don't get mad about it.
Everyone reserves the right, as a part of the human condition (I would actually say we are obligated), to make fools of ourselves. Otherwise it wouldn't be any fun at all. Who'd want that?
-- Nothing is nicer than seeing your PS3 on an HDTV through an HDMI cable for the first time.
halil23 said:
Well no surprise here! M$ has a huge track records of lying to everyone!! (one of the disturbing truths is that M$ puts spyware in Windows just to monitor your privacy!!) Thank God I've never supported/brought any of their products. But sad to see many continue to do the wrong thing hence letting M$ continue when in a perfect world it would have rightfully been the other way!!! |
I hate to tell you this, but it was Sony that put spyware on their music CDs to monitor the usage and make sure they weren't pirated. As for MS putting spyware in their OS...I have not heard of this before. Link please!
You're making MS seem like any other big business.
And I thought they were saintly like...
well I can't think of a big business that's like that.
There is a real problem about misinformation, take this post as example:
| Hynad said: Core Clock Frequency Xbox 360 - 500 MHz PS3 - 500 MHz Triangle Setup Xbox 360 - 500 Million Triangles/sec PS3 - 250 Million Triangles/sec Vertex Shader Processing (Vertex ALU x Clock / 4) Xbox 360 - 6.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines) Xbox 360 - 2.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using 16 of the 48 Unified Pipelines) Xbox 360 - 1.5 Billion Vertices/sec (using 12 of the 48 Unified Pipelines) Xbox 360 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec (using 8 of the 48 Unified Pipelines) PS3 - 1.0 Billion Vertices/sec Filtered Texture Fetch Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec PS3 - 12.0 Billion Texels/sec Vertex Texture Fetch Xbox 360 - 8.0 Billion Texels/sec PS3 - 4.0 Billion Texels/sec Pixel Shader Processing with 16 Filtered Texels Per Cycle (Pixel ALU x Clock) Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines) Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines) Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines) Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines) PS3 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec Pixel Shader Processing without Textures (Pixel ALU x Clock) Xbox 360 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using all 48 Unified Pipelines) Xbox 360 - 20.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 40 of the 48 Unified Pipelines) Xbox 360 - 18.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 36 of the 48 Unified Pipelines) Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Pixels/sec (using 32 of the 48 Unified Pipelines) PS3 - 24.0 Billion Pixels/sec Multisampled Fill Rate Xbox 360 - 16.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz) PS3 - 8.0 Billion Samples/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz) Pixel Fill Rate with 4x Multisampled Anti-Aliasing Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 4 Samples x 500MHz / 4) PS3 - 2.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 2 Samples x 500MHz / 4) Pixel Fill Rate without Anti-Aliasing Xbox 360 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz) PS3 - 4.0 Billion Pixels/sec (8 ROPS x 500MHz) Frame Buffer Bandwidth Xbox 360 - 256.0 GB/sec (dedicated for frame buffer rendering) PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with other graphics data: textures and vertices) PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices) PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for textures and vertices) Texture/Vertex Memory Bandwidth Xbox 360 - 22.4 GB/sec (shared with CPU) Xbox 360 - 14.4 GB/sec (with 8.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU) Xbox 360 - 12.4 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for CPU) PS3 - 20.8 GB/sec (shared with frame buffer) PS3 - 10.8 GB/sec (with 10.0 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer) PS3 - 8.4 GB/sec (with 12.4 GB/sec subtracted for frame buffer) Shader Model Xbox 360 - Shader Model 3.0+ / Unified Shader Architecture PS3 - Shader Model 3.0 / Discrete Shader Architecture Should I say more, MikeB? |
FALSE: the RSX is clocked at 550 MHz (so all the subsequent math is flawed).
ALMOST TRUE: ...but you can't use all the 48 pipelines at the same time, so the theoretical maximum is much lower.
FALSE AND GETTING OLD: that's just the bandwith of the 10 MB EDRAM, not the frame buffer bandwith (which is the Memory Bandwidth, shown below).
As a rule of thumb: ATI GPU's have more raw power, while NVIDIA GPU's are better engineered.
some reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_%27Reality_Synthesizer%27
http://wiki.ps2dev.org/ps3:rsx
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2053309,00.asp
All stats thrown out are theoratical maximum. To actually achieve that is close to impossible.
| MikeB said: I have been attacked by many fanboys for my "insane long term outlook" regarding the PS3 here on VGChartz in the past. It now seems like my anticipation for a slimline PS3 by 2009 back in 2006 have been correct and not that insane at all as some made this out to be. A former summary:
MikeB wrote at the start of 2009 (2nd of January): I anticipate around 10 million sales per year on average, until the release of a "PSThree", then I expect the PS3 to sell around 15 million on average.
So 2007 + 2008, about 20 million, I anticipate a slimline PS3 to launch somewhere in 2009. http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=1622174
"Lots of my past writings are available on the internet, want me to look them up for you? I also predicted in mid 2005 that it would be troublesome to get legacy engines onto the Cell's SPEs, so it's not all just rosey expectations neither.
I expect the PS3 to continue to perform roughly on par with XBox 360 sales from the year before, until Killzone 2, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy XIII and Metal Gear Solid 4 are all on the market (when that will be exactly may not even be known to the developers themselves."
"Last year at the beginning of the PS3's launch I said the PS2 would be the big winner for christmas 2006 (I was right with regard to that one) and expected the PS3's first real sales victory worldwide over the XBox 360 for christmas 2007, I still think so, as data so far seems to back up my expectations."
"I always thought Japan would turn PS3 as soon as Metal Gear Solid 4 and / or Final Fantasy XIII hit the market"
I was talking about Christmas 2007.
For 2006 my prediction is that the Playstation 2 will be on top (not counting the handhelds). Nintendo Wii and PS3 will sell as much as their companies can produce. I think 2006 will also be a good year for the XBox 360 in closing, but will not get close to PS2 figures."
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wow! you did good man. what do you predict for 2012. heres my mine for 2012
Ps3 108-120m
Wii 116m
360 80-110m
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