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Anyone watch Lockdown?  The ending sounds pretty interesting so I've been thinking of trying to catch it somewhere.  I don't get Spike, so I rarely see TNA, but where is AJ?

 

darkknightkryta said:
Yeah, the guys can't even wrestle that good in WWE. Closest I've seen to that in the last 10 years was Punk vs Daniel Bryan.

If you like Daniel Bryan--and I think he's the best in-ring performer in the WWE--then you should check out Kana.  She's become famous in Japan for how hard she kicks and her skill with submissions.  Unlike a lot of Joshi performers, she does very little flying, but she puts on a clinic on the mat.  I love the match against Hikaru Shida, though the match against Syuri was probably bigger, as it told a deeper story about Syuri trying to elevate herself to Kana's level.





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Just saw the Kana vs Shida, is it sad that these two girls, in 15 minutes, put on a match that would probably be match of the year in WWE?



darkknightkryta said:
Just saw the Kana vs Shida, is it sad that these two girls, in 15 minutes, put on a match that would probably be match of the year in WWE?

Given the talent in the WWE, I think it's a shame.  Sometimes you can go an entire RAW and see maybe one solid match.  The rest might be squashes, gimmick matches, comedy sketches, and then a ton of interference angles without a clean finish, if there is a finish at all.  They have some fantastic wrestlers on hand, so it's obviously a difference in philosophy.  In the WWE, wrestlers basically do what creative tells them to do, from thier "names", to their characters, to what happens in the ring, whereas some of the best wrestling happens when the actual wrestlers have some degree of creative freedom.

Take the Kana vs. Syuri match, which built up because of previous clean finishes where Kana won after several hard-fought battles.  This gave the impression that Syuri couldn't beat Kana, so when Syuri finally prevailed, it was a major moment and very satisfying.  You go into a WWE match, however, where it's always "bad guy" vs. "good guy", then you KNOW that the bad guy will only win if there is cheating involved.  That takes away most of the drama of the match itself and places all the emphasis on the last couple of minutes, where either the bad guys cheats and wins and cheats and doesn't win.

That's my opinion, anyway.



pokoko said:
darkknightkryta said:
Just saw the Kana vs Shida, is it sad that these two girls, in 15 minutes, put on a match that would probably be match of the year in WWE?

Given the talent in the WWE, I think it's a shame.  Sometimes you can go an entire RAW and see maybe one solid match.  The rest might be squashes, gimmick matches, comedy sketches, and then a ton of interference angles without a clean finish, if there is a finish at all.  They have some fantastic wrestlers on hand, so it's obviously a difference in philosophy.  In the WWE, wrestlers basically do what creative tells them to do, from thier "names", to their characters, to what happens in the ring, whereas some of the best wrestling happens when the actual wrestlers have some degree of creative freedom.

Take the Kana vs. Syuri match, which built up because of previous clean finishes where Kana won after several hard-fought battles.  This gave the impression that Syuri couldn't beat Kana, so when Syuri finally prevailed, it was a major moment and very satisfying.  You go into a WWE match, however, where it's always "bad guy" vs. "good guy", then you KNOW that the bad guy will only win if there is cheating involved.  That takes away most of the drama of the match itself and places all the emphasis on the last couple of minutes, where either the bad guys cheats and wins and cheats and doesn't win.

That's my opinion, anyway.

Well thing is, WWE is a business, they have to sell PPVs.  So I understand that you're not gonna get quality matches on free T.V.  My problem is that they have terrible matches on PPVs.  If I watch Raw and the matches are terrible, you better give me my money's worth when I watch a PPV and sadly that never happens.  I think the last good PPV I watched was Survivor Series and that was because the talent were given some time to actually wrestle.  That openning match against the jobbers was close, if not the best match on the card.  Not to say the other matches that followed were bad, cause they weren't, they were actually good.  It's just as you say they have the talent but they're not utilized.  Though the talent also have problems cause very few of them  actually know any holds/submissions but that's another story.



I thought the Royal Rumble and Elimination Champer PPV's were pretty darn good.



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d21lewis said:
I thought the Royal Rumble and Elimination Champer PPV's were pretty darn good.

I was actually disappointed with the Rumble.  I still hold Cena should not have won the Rumble.  Plus there wasn't any good spots in the Rumble, that Kofi scene was bad, someone should have drop kicked him while he was getting back in.  No surprises in the Rumble either, plus Ryback should not be pushed right now period.  I didn't see the Elimination Chamber.



darkknightkryta said:
d21lewis said:
I thought the Royal Rumble and Elimination Champer PPV's were pretty darn good.

I was actually disappointed with the Rumble.  I still hold Cena should not have won the Rumble.  Plus there wasn't any good spots in the Rumble, that Kofi scene was bad, someone should have drop kicked him while he was getting back in.  No surprises in the Rumble either, plus Ryback should not be pushed right now period.  I didn't see the Elimination Chamber.


Cena winning was the blight on an entertaining PPV.  It didn't go the way I wanted but I admit I wasn't bored.



d21lewis said:
darkknightkryta said:
d21lewis said:
I thought the Royal Rumble and Elimination Champer PPV's were pretty darn good.

I was actually disappointed with the Rumble.  I still hold Cena should not have won the Rumble.  Plus there wasn't any good spots in the Rumble, that Kofi scene was bad, someone should have drop kicked him while he was getting back in.  No surprises in the Rumble either, plus Ryback should not be pushed right now period.  I didn't see the Elimination Chamber.


Cena winning was the blight on an entertaining PPV.  It didn't go the way I wanted but I admit I wasn't bored.

What else was on the card?  I know Punk should have won, that frustrated me.  There was a woman's match right?



So they just showed the Punk vs Undertaker promo, I don't have to watch the rest of Raw tonight.



The Undertaker returns and Amp doesn't care, just like he didn't the last seven or eight years.

Taker needs to retire and not just show up for Wrestlemania every year.



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