Batman Arkham Asylum demo - 1.6gb,

Bioshock demo - 1.3gb,

Kameo demo - 1gb,

PGR4 demo - 1.2gb,

Stranglehold demo - 1.2gb,

Blacksite Area 51 demo that takes 4-5 minutes to finish - 600mb,

you really want to go that road?

MS is getting rid of Pro because they can either:

cut the price of all the systems and it won't change anything for customers(people still will have problem which system to chose),

get rid of Arcade and cut the price of Pro and Elite and that will end up with games that require hdd to work in the future,

get rid of Pro and cut the price of Elite model which is the best thing for MS(they still will earn same money on Arcade and don't have to cut the price) and for customers(simple choice between Arcade and Elite and cheaper Elite system).

     Well. there will be more disc swapping on ffxiii unless you install to your hdd.  Itagaki said that to have included just the two minute trailer for doa in the quality he would have wanted for the 360 version, then it would have taken up 2 gig of the dvd 9 disc (he probably would have wanted to put in all the character movies, etc, in the same quality which would have completely filled the disc). 

(http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news040705itagaki)

 So, that is 2 minutes taking up 2 out of 9 gigs.  Add in the fact that if it is like past FFs, then there will be 45 to 60 minutes of cinema scenes in FFXIII, so that boosts the size of FFXIII if kept in the same quality Itagaki wanted for DoA out to 45 to 60 gigs of space (just counting the cinemas, not counting the game itself).

Let's say that FFXIII has 45 minutes of cinema and 15 gigs are used for the game itself.  That makes it a 60 gig game.  Now there are three options that can be used.  It's quality can be compressed to get it down to 30 gigs still filling up 3 to 4 dvd 9s.  Or you can keep it in uncompressed form which seems to be what Square seems to be intent on doing and that means  you would either have to disc swap 5 to 6 discs at various times while playing the game or you could go with the easier option of doing a hdd install so you wouldn't have to do disc swaps but that would take up 60 gigs of hdd space.

FFXIII will undoubtedly be 4+ DVDs in my opinion but remember, this is SE's bread and butter game. I highly doubt they will allow it to suffer the same horrible problems that SO4 did.

Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon were both 3+ DVD games and did not half the issues SO4 did.

SO4 was just simply built like shit.

Also, even if you install a 360 game to the HDD you are still required to swap discs.

You honestly seem like you have never used a 360 before.

Not saying some others in this thread are any better though.

     How many minutes of cinema did Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey have?  Were the cinema scenes in true HD?  And, I believe Lost Odyssey got around this issue by having much of what would have been cinema scenes in an FF game told through text.

360 games also take up around 6.8 GB on average so a 5DVD FFXIII would be around 34-35GB of space.

MS are lowering the amount of space required for 360 game installs as well so while it may need a shit ton of space it may be around the 15-20GB mark and not the exaggerated 60GB you are implying.

Either way, common sense tells me to buy the PS3 version.

I beleive the wet dream of EA is to be able to sell as much on the PS3 then what they do on the 360. Good move for them then.

     If it is the same quality that Itagaki wanted for Doa where one minute of hd video translates into one gig of space and Kojima wanted for MGS4 where he couldn't fit everything he wanted onto one and a half blu-rays, then I think it would be very much closer to the 60 mark than the 20.

They are not going to release a 8-9 DVD FFXIII.

Plus the 15-20GB I was talking about was the total install size on the 360, not the overall game size.

New 360 installs will not require a full disc install, just a partial.

Let's be realistic here.

What does it achieve though? The people who read that are hardcore gamers, who know that a price cut is coming anyway, and that it is an empty threat from that just makes gamers like me pissed off with them. Yeah, I'm still getting Modern Warfare 2, but there's no way I getting Blur or any other Activison titles that I was considering buying