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Kasz216 said:
dtewi said:
Kasz216 said:
superchunk said:
LOL AHAHAHAHAAAH AHA LOL ROFLCOPTER OMG BBQ.

That is seriously stupid and funny.

1. kids name is twig. lol
2. Love the racist tone of the pic, big black nose and all.
3. my god my 5yr old can spell better than that 11yr old. "homeskooler" FTL!
4. Kid only has issues because parents have issues crying over death squad bs that Palin and crew spout. Maybe if Republicans didn't over due their inciting of fear this would happen.

I can't believe you actually thought that was real.

One born every minute i guess.

It is a very believable joke. Don't say someone is stupid for falling for it.

It really isn't... and I mean... for the first part...

his avatar is Stephen Colbert.  Who... you may be to young to know... is a Satirist.

He's a super liberal person who pretends to be a super conservative person on TV making fun of your average republican pundit.

That alone gives away it being a joke.

 

Outside that.... Twig?  A guy made of Twigs?  Why is the pastor with the grandparents?  What's with the spelling... and why does the kid know racist streotypes?

I know who Stephen Colbert is. He's fun to watch along with Jon Stewart.

I know it was a joke site. But many people could believe it because Christian radicals may take some of these positions.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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MontanaHatchet said:
HappySqurriel said:
The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.


"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.

You do realize that only a small subset of Christians are evangelical, and only a small subset of evangelical Christians make statements like the ones you’re associating with them. In fact, evangelical Christianity has been one of the fastest growing segments within Christianity primarily because it adopts more quickly to the times; and several branches within evangelical Christianity were some of the first to support gay marriage as an institution within their church.

Hey, but who cares about reality when you can be a bigot

Who cares about reality when you don't need to back up what you say with facts? Seriously, evangelical Christians were some of the first to back gay marriage? Mind supporting that with any kind of evidence? It doesn't make sense.

Kasz: Colbert, in real life, is a moderate. You obviously don't understand Colbert either.

Is he?  I've heard him reffered as a Liberal many times... and his show pretty much lost the "equal balance" it had when it first started.  He'd be a Super Right Wing guy, but he'd occasionally bring up good points about how democrats were being silly too... but in a ridiculious way in itself.

 

They don't really do that much anymore.


He also admits he's partial... and doesn't like Republicans.

http://www.jerriblank.com/colbert_nytimes.html



Kasz216 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
HappySqurriel said:
The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.


"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.

You do realize that only a small subset of Christians are evangelical, and only a small subset of evangelical Christians make statements like the ones you’re associating with them. In fact, evangelical Christianity has been one of the fastest growing segments within Christianity primarily because it adopts more quickly to the times; and several branches within evangelical Christianity were some of the first to support gay marriage as an institution within their church.

Hey, but who cares about reality when you can be a bigot

Who cares about reality when you don't need to back up what you say with facts? Seriously, evangelical Christians were some of the first to back gay marriage? Mind supporting that with any kind of evidence? It doesn't make sense.

Kasz: Colbert, in real life, is a moderate. You obviously don't understand Colbert either.

Is he?  I've heard him reffered as a Liberal many times... and his show pretty much lost the "equal balance" it had when it first started.  He'd be a Super Right Wing guy, but he'd occasionally bring up good points about how democrats were being silly too... but in a ridiculious way in itself.

 

They don't really do that much anymore.

 

He tags with Jon Stewart, who is super liberal. Naturally, he plays to similar demographics. And because of that, he often makes fun of conservatives by acting like an extreme version of one. Lately, however, I'm seen him making fun of Democrats a lot more (mainly Obama). Not that making fun of Obama is too hard.

He's a moderate in real life, he just acts in whatever way gets him the best ratings. Can't blame him.



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
HappySqurriel said:
The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.


"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.

You do realize that only a small subset of Christians are evangelical, and only a small subset of evangelical Christians make statements like the ones you’re associating with them. In fact, evangelical Christianity has been one of the fastest growing segments within Christianity primarily because it adopts more quickly to the times; and several branches within evangelical Christianity were some of the first to support gay marriage as an institution within their church.

Hey, but who cares about reality when you can be a bigot

Who cares about reality when you don't need to back up what you say with facts? Seriously, evangelical Christians were some of the first to back gay marriage? Mind supporting that with any kind of evidence? It doesn't make sense.

Kasz: Colbert, in real life, is a moderate. You obviously don't understand Colbert either.

Is he?  I've heard him reffered as a Liberal many times... and his show pretty much lost the "equal balance" it had when it first started.  He'd be a Super Right Wing guy, but he'd occasionally bring up good points about how democrats were being silly too... but in a ridiculious way in itself.

 

They don't really do that much anymore.

 

He tags with Jon Stewart, who is super liberal. Naturally, he plays to similar demographics. And because of that, he often makes fun of conservatives by acting like an extreme version of one. Lately, however, I'm seen him making fun of Democrats a lot more (mainly Obama). Not that making fun of Obama is too hard.

He's a moderate in real life, he just acts in whatever way gets him the best ratings. Can't blame him.

Either way he's a satirist.  And while he's a funny one he's no Jonathan Swift.

 



Kasz216 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Kasz216 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
HappySqurriel said:
The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.


"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.

You do realize that only a small subset of Christians are evangelical, and only a small subset of evangelical Christians make statements like the ones you’re associating with them. In fact, evangelical Christianity has been one of the fastest growing segments within Christianity primarily because it adopts more quickly to the times; and several branches within evangelical Christianity were some of the first to support gay marriage as an institution within their church.

Hey, but who cares about reality when you can be a bigot

Who cares about reality when you don't need to back up what you say with facts? Seriously, evangelical Christians were some of the first to back gay marriage? Mind supporting that with any kind of evidence? It doesn't make sense.

Kasz: Colbert, in real life, is a moderate. You obviously don't understand Colbert either.

Is he?  I've heard him reffered as a Liberal many times... and his show pretty much lost the "equal balance" it had when it first started.  He'd be a Super Right Wing guy, but he'd occasionally bring up good points about how democrats were being silly too... but in a ridiculious way in itself.

 

They don't really do that much anymore.

 

He tags with Jon Stewart, who is super liberal. Naturally, he plays to similar demographics. And because of that, he often makes fun of conservatives by acting like an extreme version of one. Lately, however, I'm seen him making fun of Democrats a lot more (mainly Obama). Not that making fun of Obama is too hard.

He's a moderate in real life, he just acts in whatever way gets him the best ratings. Can't blame him.

Either way he's a satirist.  And while he's a funny one he's no Jonathan Swift.

 

Are you trying to post ones I've never heard of?



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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Please guys. It's really unnecessary to quote THAT ENTIRE SERIES OF POSTS just to give a one line response.



 

 

Nope. It's just a refrence old saying "Most people can't tell Good Satire from reality".

Jonathan Swift could of been the best Satirist in history... he wrote a book suggesting the poor should sell their children to the rich as a luxuray food... and most people believed him.

Another time he convinced the world that another author was dead... he was so successful people wouldn't even believe the guy when he told them he was who he said he was and that he was alive.

Colbert is more along the lines of Voltaire in "Letters on England"



The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.


"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.

You do realize that only a small subset of Christians are evangelical, and only a small subset of evangelical Christians make statements like the ones you’re associating with them. In fact, evangelical Christianity has been one of the fastest growing segments within Christianity primarily because it adopts more quickly to the times; and several branches within evangelical Christianity were some of the first to support gay marriage as an institution within their church.

Hey, but who cares about reality when you can be a bigot

You can claim I am a bigot, but I have no problem with christianity or any religion for the matter. My wife is a devout evengelical christian. I am not a bigot towards an ideology (if that's even possible, which I don't think it is) I have a problem with the subset of ideas that will ignore reality in favor of scripture, and wants the US to be a theocracy where christianity is imposed on the populace. I am against the subset of ideas that tries to make homosexuals feel ashamed or threatened, and want religion to be taught as science. If someone wants to believe the earth is 6000 years old, I don't care. If somebody wants to make the government teach children that the earth is 6000 years old I care.

This is not a holocaust. This is a small group of people questioning the veracity of the claims of a book that a large number of people use as a guide to how to run a society and their lives. If I think believing in santa clause is stupid, I am not a bigot against children. I am not trying to throw people into a furnace, I am trying to question whether it's really in everyone's best interest to tell two men they can't get married, and question that a man in the sky specially made all life on earth. This is not personal, it may be taken as personal since some can't differentiate between their ideology and their personhood, but it is not personal. Because I am not attacking people, only ideologies.

So stop being paranoid and thinking that there are a bunch of atheist skin heads firing up the christian oven. It's a cultural shift against old ideas, not against people. Jews could not take away their heritage, christianity can stop fighting against evolution, and can let gay people get married. Black people couldn't change their facial features or skin tones, christians can decide that their book can be fallable, and cease trying to create The United Theocracy Of America.

So tell me again, who am I bigoted against?


I'm trying to find a link to the news story from a few years ago ... One of the first church ceremonies for a homosexual couple in Canada was of an evangelical denomination. (Edit: its kind of difficult to track down due to the massive number of news articles on gay marriage)

My point was that evangelical Christianity is a classification not a denomination, and claiming that a wide group of people feel a certain way about something based on the beliefs of a small subset is prejudcial and (in many cases) bigoted. Many of the claims made against Christian groups are no more accurate than the claims that all Muslims believe it is appropriate to murder their daughters if they dishonor their family; and what makes the situation worse is that most of these claims against Christians come from people who are avid defenders of "Tolerance" and yet show no tolerance when it comes to Christianity.

 



HappySqurriel said:
The_vagabond7 said:

You can claim I am a bigot, but I have no problem with christianity or any religion for the matter. My wife is a devout evengelical christian. I am not a bigot towards an ideology (if that's even possible, which I don't think it is) I have a problem with the subset of ideas that will ignore reality in favor of scripture, and wants the US to be a theocracy where christianity is imposed on the populace. I am against the subset of ideas that tries to make homosexuals feel ashamed or threatened, and want religion to be taught as science. If someone wants to believe the earth is 6000 years old, I don't care. If somebody wants to make the government teach children that the earth is 6000 years old I care.

This is not a holocaust. This is a small group of people questioning the veracity of the claims of a book that a large number of people use as a guide to how to run a society and their lives. If I think believing in santa clause is stupid, I am not a bigot against children. I am not trying to throw people into a furnace, I am trying to question whether it's really in everyone's best interest to tell two men they can't get married, and question that a man in the sky specially made all life on earth. This is not personal, it may be taken as personal since some can't differentiate between their ideology and their personhood, but it is not personal. Because I am not attacking people, only ideologies.

So stop being paranoid and thinking that there are a bunch of atheist skin heads firing up the christian oven. It's a cultural shift against old ideas, not against people. Jews could not take away their heritage, christianity can stop fighting against evolution, and can let gay people get married. Black people couldn't change their facial features or skin tones, christians can decide that their book can be fallable, and cease trying to create The United Theocracy Of America.

So tell me again, who am I bigoted against?


I'm trying to find a link to the news story from a few years ago ... One of the first church ceremonies for a homosexual couple in Canada was of an evangelical denomination.

My point was that evangelical Christianity is a classification not a denomination, and claiming that a wide group of people feel a certain way about something based on the beliefs of a small subset is prejudcial and (in many cases) bigoted. Many of the claims made against Christian groups are no more accurate than the claims that all Muslims believe it is appropriate to murder their daughters if they dishonor their family; and what makes the situation worse is that most of these claims against Christians come from people who are avid defenders of "Tolerance" and yet show no tolerance when it comes to Christianity.

 

Ok, so in the interest of political correctness, how should I have written my little satire? I didn't want to say christian, because that's too broad, same for protestant (from which evengelican descended). No christian fundementalist refers to themself as a fundementalist (by now that's a negative term), so that wouldn't make sense. Evengelical christians did have a history tied to fundementalism (but they split somewhere halfway through the 20th century), and draws the largest parallel. Many even in the christian world simply see fundementalism as a more conservative evengelicalism. I may be crass at times, but I am not uneducated when it comes to matters of religion. I apologize if using that classification offended you, but for satirical purposes it's the closest to accurate. Also you are now claiming not that I am bigoted of christians, but that I am wrongly bigoted towards a specific classification of christians. Though, had I chosen a denomination (such as Jehovah's witness) and said that their ideas were dumb, would you see that as better?

Furthermore, I do not think you understand what kind of "tolerance" tolerant people espouse. I am not tolerant of Neo-nazism for instance, I am not tolerant of racial prejudice, I am not tolerant radical violent ideologies, I am not tolerant of kitten stomping. Tolerance doesn't mean "Anything goes". It means "anything goes that isn't going to harm or infringe on the rights of other people". I don't have to be tolerant of trying to teach special creation in classrooms, I don't have to be tolerant of trying to create a church state, I do not have to be tolerant of trying to prevent homosexuals from getting married. Furthermore I don't have to "have respect" for every idea, I only have to respect one's right to hold that idea. David Icke believes that the world is secretly ruled by an alien race of reptiles, and that many reptile half breeds have infiltrated our government. I am tolerant in that I will not try to destroy his right to beleive that, but I will openly say that is an incredibly dumb ass thing to believe.

I suppose in interest of being PC I should always say "some" whenever I make a reference to anything. Some muslims believe it's ok to kill their daughter if they dishonor their family. Some christians let their children handle poisonous snakes as a proof of faith. Some christians think the earth is less than 10,000 years old (thought that is a disturbingly large portion). Or I'll attempt to use specific figures like "In a study of 34 countries, the US is second to last next to Turkey in the populations acceptance of Evolution". I don't want to offend.



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The_vagabond7 said:
HappySqurriel said:
The_vagabond7 said:

 

 

 "In a study of 34 countries, the US is second to last next to Turkey in the populations acceptance of Evolution". I don't want to offend.

Right now we're in second place but if we work on it we can surpass Turkey.