Obama Death Squads?

[The_vagabond7]

HappySqurriel said:

The_vagabond7 said:

You can claim I am a bigot, but I have no problem with christianity or any religion for the matter. My wife is a devout evengelical christian. I am not a bigot towards an ideology (if that's even possible, which I don't think it is) I have a problem with the subset of ideas that will ignore reality in favor of scripture, and wants the US to be a theocracy where christianity is imposed on the populace. I am against the subset of ideas that tries to make homosexuals feel ashamed or threatened, and want religion to be taught as science. If someone wants to believe the earth is 6000 years old, I don't care. If somebody wants to make the government teach children that the earth is 6000 years old I care.

This is not a holocaust. This is a small group of people questioning the veracity of the claims of a book that a large number of people use as a guide to how to run a society and their lives. If I think believing in santa clause is stupid, I am not a bigot against children. I am not trying to throw people into a furnace, I am trying to question whether it's really in everyone's best interest to tell two men they can't get married, and question that a man in the sky specially made all life on earth. This is not personal, it may be taken as personal since some can't differentiate between their ideology and their personhood, but it is not personal. Because I am not attacking people, only ideologies.

So stop being paranoid and thinking that there are a bunch of atheist skin heads firing up the christian oven. It's a cultural shift against old ideas, not against people. Jews could not take away their heritage, christianity can stop fighting against evolution, and can let gay people get married. Black people couldn't change their facial features or skin tones, christians can decide that their book can be fallable, and cease trying to create The United Theocracy Of America.

So tell me again, who am I bigoted against?

I'm trying to find a link to the news story from a few years ago ... One of the first church ceremonies for a homosexual couple in Canada was of an evangelical denomination.

My point was that evangelical Christianity is a classification not a denomination, and claiming that a wide group of people feel a certain way about something based on the beliefs of a small subset is prejudcial and (in many cases) bigoted. Many of the claims made against Christian groups are no more accurate than the claims that all Muslims believe it is appropriate to murder their daughters if they dishonor their family; and what makes the situation worse is that most of these claims against Christians come from people who are avid defenders of "Tolerance" and yet show no tolerance when it comes to Christianity.

 

Ok, so in the interest of political correctness, how should I have written my little satire? I didn't want to say christian, because that's too broad, same for protestant (from which evengelican descended). No christian fundementalist refers to themself as a fundementalist (by now that's a negative term), so that wouldn't make sense. Evengelical christians did have a history tied to fundementalism (but they split somewhere halfway through the 20th century), and draws the largest parallel. Many even in the christian world simply see fundementalism as a more conservative evengelicalism. I may be crass at times, but I am not uneducated when it comes to matters of religion. I apologize if using that classification offended you, but for satirical purposes it's the closest to accurate. Also you are now claiming not that I am bigoted of christians, but that I am wrongly bigoted towards a specific classification of christians. Though, had I chosen a denomination (such as Jehovah's witness) and said that their ideas were dumb, would you see that as better?

Furthermore, I do not think you understand what kind of "tolerance" tolerant people espouse. I am not tolerant of Neo-nazism for instance, I am not tolerant of racial prejudice, I am not tolerant radical violent ideologies, I am not tolerant of kitten stomping. Tolerance doesn't mean "Anything goes". It means "anything goes that isn't going to harm or infringe on the rights of other people". I don't have to be tolerant of trying to teach special creation in classrooms, I don't have to be tolerant of trying to create a church state, I do not have to be tolerant of trying to prevent homosexuals from getting married. Furthermore I don't have to "have respect" for every idea, I only have to respect one's right to hold that idea. David Icke believes that the world is secretly ruled by an alien race of reptiles, and that many reptile half breeds have infiltrated our government. I am tolerant in that I will not try to destroy his right to beleive that, but I will openly say that is an incredibly dumb ass thing to believe.

I suppose in interest of being PC I should always say "some" whenever I make a reference to anything. Some muslims believe it's ok to kill their daughter if they dishonor their family. Some christians let their children handle poisonous snakes as a proof of faith. Some christians think the earth is less than 10,000 years old (thought that is a disturbingly large portion). Or I'll attempt to use specific figures like "In a study of 34 countries, the US is second to last next to Turkey in the populations acceptance of Evolution". I don't want to offend.