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The_vagabond7 said:

HappySqurriel said:

The_vagabond7 said:

HappySqurriel said:

Rath said:
You also hit a major problem when you're comparing a belief system with a race.

When people say 'The world would be better off without evangelical Christianity', they don't mean 'fire up the furnaces'. They want people to stop believing in something that they think as a belief is harmful to society.

Its really a fallacious argument to try and make people who wish that a belief that they think is out-dated and harmful to go away look like they are trying to make a holocaust happen.

In the 1930s most people who were upset with the Jewish population in Europe were also not suggesting genocide, and a very intelligent and evil individual used them as scapegoats to promote his own agenda.

If you have a problem with a stance why wouldn't you argue against that stance rather than use stereotypes and prejudice to turn a group of people into scapegoats?

You do know that christians are the vast overwhelming majority compared to the non-religious right? And evengelical christians are saying the same thing about every other religion and the non-religious as well.

"Radical islam needs to be wiped out, gays need to get back in the closet, atheists are incapable of being moral....what did you just say about Evengelicals??? NOT FAIR! WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS PICKING ON US EVENGELICALS??!?!? IT'S JUST LIKE THE JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY, SOON WE'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN THE OVENS BY THIS...minority....wait, what? We vastly outnumber them? We have more politcal power, more money, and more influence? Well still, you can't talk like that about Jesus Followers!"

 

The entire notion that christianity needs protecting from these small minorites that have negative views about their beliefs is absurd. And arguments to try and make it seem wrong to crtisize an ideology are equally absurd.

You do realize that only a small subset of Christians are evangelical, and only a small subset of evangelical Christians make statements like the ones you’re associating with them. In fact, evangelical Christianity has been one of the fastest growing segments within Christianity primarily because it adopts more quickly to the times; and several branches within evangelical Christianity were some of the first to support gay marriage as an institution within their church.

Hey, but who cares about reality when you can be a bigot

You can claim I am a bigot, but I have no problem with christianity or any religion for the matter. My wife is a devout evengelical christian. I am not a bigot towards an ideology (if that's even possible, which I don't think it is) I have a problem with the subset of ideas that will ignore reality in favor of scripture, and wants the US to be a theocracy where christianity is imposed on the populace. I am against the subset of ideas that tries to make homosexuals feel ashamed or threatened, and want religion to be taught as science. If someone wants to believe the earth is 6000 years old, I don't care. If somebody wants to make the government teach children that the earth is 6000 years old I care.

This is not a holocaust. This is a small group of people questioning the veracity of the claims of a book that a large number of people use as a guide to how to run a society and their lives. If I think believing in santa clause is stupid, I am not a bigot against children. I am not trying to throw people into a furnace, I am trying to question whether it's really in everyone's best interest to tell two men they can't get married, and question that a man in the sky specially made all life on earth. This is not personal, it may be taken as personal since some can't differentiate between their ideology and their personhood, but it is not personal. Because I am not attacking people, only ideologies.

So stop being paranoid and thinking that there are a bunch of atheist skin heads firing up the christian oven. It's a cultural shift against old ideas, not against people. Jews could not take away their heritage, christianity can stop fighting against evolution, and can let gay people get married. Black people couldn't change their facial features or skin tones, christians can decide that their book can be fallable, and cease trying to create The United Theocracy Of America.

So tell me again, who am I bigoted against?

I'm trying to find a link to the news story from a few years ago ... One of the first church ceremonies for a homosexual couple in Canada was of an evangelical denomination. (Edit: its kind of difficult to track down due to the massive number of news articles on gay marriage)

My point was that evangelical Christianity is a classification not a denomination, and claiming that a wide group of people feel a certain way about something based on the beliefs of a small subset is prejudcial and (in many cases) bigoted. Many of the claims made against Christian groups are no more accurate than the claims that all Muslims believe it is appropriate to murder their daughters if they dishonor their family; and what makes the situation worse is that most of these claims against Christians come from people who are avid defenders of "Tolerance" and yet show no tolerance when it comes to Christianity.