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Rath on 16 August 2009
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:

Urgh. There is just so much wrong with this post. I'm just going to point out that in a privatised system the poor aren't given proper healthcare at all because they can't afford it. Its the reason why nearly 50M Americans are uninsured.


NHS and other socialised systems aren't perfect, but they aren't broken like the American system.

 

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649


The USA has a much lower mortality rate then the UK does for people over 75%.  The old are biased against after paying their entire lives into a system. 

 

If there needs to be bias in a system... it should at least be for the people who aren't paying rather then be biased against people who are paying for healthcare.

However, that isn't even the case.


Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]

Ever notice how blatantly cherry-picked those facts are? Things like 'white Canadian young-adults with below median incomes', there are three seperate limitations on that! Ethnicity, age and income.

 

They took the number of people taking statins as evidence that the entire sector of chronic diesease is better in America than the rest of the world!

 

In fact number seven, as a citizen of NZ, I know that the fundamental change people are asking here is for the complete socialisation of our healthcare system - currently its only compulsory government insurance for accidents - not for anything else. There has been quite a lot of pressure on our government to extend ACC. What they said was a blatant misrepresentation.

 

They take statistics about individual cancers and fail to note that overall cancer deaths per 100,000 are higher in the USA than in the UK. Argh.

 

Please can you post a less hideously biased source?



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Kasz216 on 16 August 2009
Rath said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
 

Urgh. There is just so much wrong with this post. I'm just going to point out that in a privatised system the poor aren't given proper healthcare at all because they can't afford it. Its the reason why nearly 50M Americans are uninsured.


NHS and other socialised systems aren't perfect, but they aren't broken like the American system.

 

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649


The USA has a much lower mortality rate then the UK does for people over 75%.  The old are biased against after paying their entire lives into a system. 

 

If there needs to be bias in a system... it should at least be for the people who aren't paying rather then be biased against people who are paying for healthcare.

However, that isn't even the case.


Fact No. 5: Lower income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians. Twice as many American seniors with below-median incomes self-report "excellent" health compared to Canadian seniors (11.7 percent versus 5.8 percent). Conversely, white Canadian young adults with below-median incomes are 20 percent more likely than lower income Americans to describe their health as "fair or poor."[5]

Ever notice how blatantly cherry-picked those facts are? Things like 'white Canadian young-adults with below median incomes', there are three seperate limitations on that! Ethnicity, age and income.

 

They took the number of people taking statins as evidence that the entire sector of chronic diesease is better in America than the rest of the world!

 

In fact number seven, as a citizen of NZ, I know that the fundamental change people are asking here is for the complete socialisation of our healthcare system - currently its only compulsory government insurance for accidents - not for anything else. There has been quite a lot of pressure on our government to extend ACC. What they said was a blatant misrepresentation.

 

They take statistics about individual cancers and fail to note that overall cancer deaths per 100,000 are higher in the USA than in the UK. Argh.

 

Please can you post a less hideously biased source?

I'm just matching your hideously biased sources from the other thread.

Additionally... your wrong.

For every Death in the UK for cancer there were 3.4 Deaths in the US. (2007 numbers)

For every person in the UK there are 5 in the US.

155,484 deaths for the UK VS 553,888 deaths for the US

 



Rath on 16 August 2009

My hideously biased sources? I posted the BBC and the World Health Organisation and you post a right wing think tank and think they are equally biased?

In any case at least my sources were accurate. The data for people dissatisfied with the system is completely different according to the OECD.
http://www.ecosante.fr/OCDEENG/65.html


Also whats your source for the cancer statistic? This one says differently
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_dea_fro_can-health-death-from-cancer
and I'm having trouble finding any others.



Kasz216 on 16 August 2009
Rath said:
My hideously biased sources? I posted the BBC and the World Health Organisation and you post a right wing think tank and think they are equally biased?

In any case at least my sources were accurate. The data for people dissatisfied with the system is completely different according to the OECD.
http://www.ecosante.fr/OCDEENG/65.html


Also whats your source for the cancer statistic? This one says differently
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_dea_fro_can-health-death-from-cancer
and I'm having trouble finding any others.

Yes the WHO is juset as biased.

Have you ever looked at the WHO report?  Like what they tested?

The only thing related to health was "Life Expectancy" which is only marginally related.

More represented was stuff like "Who paid a higher percentage of their salary for treatment" and other such stuff.


Also your telling me the BBC doesn't have a vested interest in making the UK healthcare system look good vs the US?  Really?

 

As for cancer.  I looked up the numbers by hand.  I'll find them again.



Slimebeast on 16 August 2009

WHO are among the worst commies.



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Craan on 16 August 2009

Calm down you guys, stop derailing the thread we're supposed to be talking about how Obama's Death Squads want to kill your grandparents.



Kasz216 on 16 August 2009

I think you need to look at the OCED numbers again.

But directly. Unless i'm reading the graph wrong it has US mortality rate lower.

It has the Uk at 150 for women and 230 for men.

The US has it at 120 for women and 210 for men.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/46/7/37964761.pdf

 

US outperforms the UK in both cancer and circulitory diseases.

2004 numbers worse then 2007 gap for the US.

US must be doing something right since then.

still the US had lower mortality rates.

 

Considering these two are the biggest two when it comes to healthcare.... I don't think you can say our Healthcare is broken.



The_vagabond7 on 16 August 2009
Craan said:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2009/september/deathsquads.html

NATIONAL HEADLINES - AUGUST 2009:

Obama's Death Squads Target the Nightmares of America's Children!

Freehold, Iowa - World renowned Pastor and child Counselor, Deacon Fred received a troubling letter from a concerned homeschooler that disturbed him so greatly, he ordered it to be posted onto the World Wide Web so that every American can see it.

A Christian Child's Depiction of The Future!



Click Here to Enlarge Image

This innocent drawing from a concerned Christian child, is a tell-tale sign that things are NOT well in the Land of the Free! Politics are one thing! But when you start putting strange ideas into the precious minds of American children, well - that's a whole different kettle altogether, Mr. President!

- Pastor Deacon Fred

MORE:

Conservative experts are learning that innocent children across America are having trouble sleeping at night. They live in constant fear. They can't stop thinking about President Obama's diabolical plan to mandate Death Squads to kill their grandparents, and take from them everything they hold dear! Their screams can be heard across the nation and our tears are falling into a puddle that cries out for restoration!

Respected Creation Scientist and Christian Child Psychologist, Dr. Jonathan Edwards says, "There is not enough children's sleep-aid medication on hand to deal with this epidemic! Kids are worried about the future! They're worried that President Obama is going to order residents of every nursing home in our Great Nation outside and simply shoot them all! They are terrified that President Obama is going to sneak up to their window at night and put a bullet into the head of a retarded cousin sleeping in the corner! The only way these nightmares can end is for Mr. Obama to stop talking about health care, and to focus on more important issues, like mandating morning prayers over loud speakers to the Lord Jesus Christ in public schools!

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This is very troubling news if true. I think a lot of Americans are regretting their vote lately.

Ok this post is a relief, because it is now apparent that you are a joke account. Landoverbaptist is a satirical site that even has comedy books published.  What's funny is how successful of a joke account this is. Alot of people respond to your posts in earnest. It's like the rolstoppable of conservatism. I'm not even ruining it by pointing this out, because whatever the next topic you're in people will continue to respond in earnest.



You can find me on facebook as Markus Van Rijn, if you friend me just mention you're from VGchartz and who you are here.

damkira on 16 August 2009

Landover Baptist is a satire site.. this isn't real.

 



Kasz216 on 16 August 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
Craan said:

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2009/september/deathsquads.html

NATIONAL HEADLINES - AUGUST 2009:

Obama's Death Squads Target the Nightmares of America's Children!

Freehold, Iowa - World renowned Pastor and child Counselor, Deacon Fred received a troubling letter from a concerned homeschooler that disturbed him so greatly, he ordered it to be posted onto the World Wide Web so that every American can see it.

A Christian Child's Depiction of The Future!



Click Here to Enlarge Image

This innocent drawing from a concerned Christian child, is a tell-tale sign that things are NOT well in the Land of the Free! Politics are one thing! But when you start putting strange ideas into the precious minds of American children, well - that's a whole different kettle altogether, Mr. President!

- Pastor Deacon Fred

MORE:

Conservative experts are learning that innocent children across America are having trouble sleeping at night. They live in constant fear. They can't stop thinking about President Obama's diabolical plan to mandate Death Squads to kill their grandparents, and take from them everything they hold dear! Their screams can be heard across the nation and our tears are falling into a puddle that cries out for restoration!

Respected Creation Scientist and Christian Child Psychologist, Dr. Jonathan Edwards says, "There is not enough children's sleep-aid medication on hand to deal with this epidemic! Kids are worried about the future! They're worried that President Obama is going to order residents of every nursing home in our Great Nation outside and simply shoot them all! They are terrified that President Obama is going to sneak up to their window at night and put a bullet into the head of a retarded cousin sleeping in the corner! The only way these nightmares can end is for Mr. Obama to stop talking about health care, and to focus on more important issues, like mandating morning prayers over loud speakers to the Lord Jesus Christ in public schools!

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is very troubling news if true. I think a lot of Americans are regretting their vote lately.

Ok this post is a relief, because it is now apparent that you are a joke account. Landoverbaptist is a satirical site that even has comedy books published.  What's funny is how successful of a joke account this is. Alot of people respond to your posts in earnest. It's like the rolstoppable of conservatism. I'm not even ruining it by pointing this out, because whatever the next topic you're in people will continue to respond in earnest.

His avatar is Stephen Colbert.

How could anyone think he wasn't a parody account?