Omg, Sony is really hurting from all these leaks.

I think many people are getting more confused than most shoppers will be... The people who spend 300 bucks on consoles know what they are buying... the mass market prices are where you get impulse buying and/or gift buying... the price drop for the PS3 will help but it's going to have a limited effect because it's still a premium price... if MS dropped the Arcade to 150 or 160 it would totally negate any ground that Sony would have been hoping to make up this Christmas

I'll just leave this here.

HDMI Cables: $0.04 for 2 meters.

http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-meter-foot-cable-1080P/dp/B0002L5R78/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1250283296&sr=8-1

Also, the Elite will no longer come with HDMI cables if the new boxes are correct, making the "value" argument of an included HDMI cable at $299 a non issue.

If the Slim box turns out to be real, the main PS3 SKU will likely have a 120GB HDD, making storage a wash.

Even if an HDMI cable was included, a $5 cable (I'll even overlook the practically free cables than can be bought from other places) does not in any way shape or form balance out internal WiFi (a sub $10 component that officially costs over $80 to add to the Xbox) or BD playback (even willing to overlook this $60 part since I realize many will buy a PS3 just to play games, not BD movies).

Looks like a South American market SKU.

Wonder if this means they'll drop the "Elite" labeling off the black model 360s everywhere.

The "Pro" hasn't actually been labeled as such in years, so I don't see why not.

So your whole platform is that an Elite at 299 won't make a difference in xbox 360 sales...gotcha

He's probably saying that a $299 "Elite" does not hold the same significance as a $299 PS3, slim or otherwise.

Realize that an Elite is nothing more than a regular 360 with a black casing and a 120GB HDD rather than a white casing and a 60GB HDD. The only other difference was a free HDMI cable (that some are still trying to pump as a "premium" feature) which, according to the new boxes is no longer included.

Now a $149 Arcade would make a much bigger difference in sales, but it would be sold at a greater loss and MS would have to hedge their bets by counting on selling 120GB HDD accessories at the same $149 price to many of those customers down the line. But while most consumers aren't savvy enough (or maybe don't care) to dig into all the value details, most should still be savvy enough to wonder why a simple hard drive would cost as much as the console itself.

I honestly stopped caring about what he was trying to say...He said one thing...then tried to say he did not say it..So when I qouted his post..He said it did not count becuase it was from a different thread..about the same topic..

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=371367