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Deneidez said:
greenmedic88 said:
PC games ARE console games this generation.

Unfortunately most of games are made for consoles and then ported to PC. Those games quite much all suck big time. They are way too oversimplified to be entertaining. I would go braindead, if I would have to play those.

 

There are still some gems on PC that haven't been corrupted by consoles. For example is there anything like anno on consoles? No? Guess why. Yes, its because it would be way too complex for casual players. :)

 

umm... you mean like this:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/981/981015p1.html

 

Perhaps you were being sarcastic and if you were I missed it. 



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You're in the extreme minority. Retro gaming has its kitsch value, but the industry and the hardware doesn't stand still.

As much as I hate using Metacritic as a reference, it does reflect what the vast majority of gamers rate highest and games like Half Life 2/Orange Box, Bioshock, Oblivion, etc. are all among the highest regarded games in PC gaming. All on console.



Nick said:
Deneidez said:
greenmedic88 said:
PC games ARE console games this generation.

Unfortunately most of games are made for consoles and then ported to PC. Those games quite much all suck big time. They are way too oversimplified to be entertaining. I would go braindead, if I would have to play those.

 

There are still some gems on PC that haven't been corrupted by consoles. For example is there anything like anno on consoles? No? Guess why. Yes, its because it would be way too complex for casual players. :)

 

umm... you mean like this:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/981/981015p1.html

 

Perhaps you were being sarcastic and if you were I missed it. 

Wow. That's pretty hilarious!



greenmedic88 said:
Nick said:

umm... you mean like this:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/981/981015p1.html

 

Perhaps you were being sarcastic and if you were I missed it. 

Wow. That's pretty hilarious!

Yeah, lets build a city in kiddy style is pretty hilarious.

Acme should sue them.

You're in the extreme minority. Retro gaming has its kitsch value, but the industry and the hardware doesn't stand still.

That was just an example about devolution of games. There are pretty complex new games too, but mostly only crappy console ports. Another good example(beside anno) is Guild 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guild_2

Even its economy system surpass most games with its complexity and thats only one part of game(add politics, family wars, breeding your family, dying etc. and you get whole game. About dying, when your main char dies, you can play as your children, if you have them.).

"The Guild 2 has a very complex economics system, all Characters can lose and earn money through buying and selling. For example: A manufacturer makes an item, the item is bought by another manufacturer who makes another item out of it and sell it to another player who uses it. Also when a Computer Player buys an item he does as if he was a real player, he either stores in his house or uses it, a rogue player can then steal it if it was stored."

(+ prices change real time according to demand, so you cannot just spam some items. You can also buy stuff cheaply when theres lots of it and sell when theres lack of goods etc.)


As much as I hate using Metacritic as a reference, it does reflect what the vast majority of gamers rate highest and games like Half Life 2/Orange Box, Bioshock, Oblivion, etc. are all among the highest regarded games in PC gaming. All on console.

As much as I like reviews, I believe in them(I don't like them, if you didn't get it. :) ). Reviewers today don't have balls to complain about bad things in games. Btw, there was an article about it on this site too(it was about gta IV and reviewing).

Sooner or later there will be less 'hardcore' console games and more casual games(motion controls and developing costs will make it happen). When that happens, you will be bitching about casuality in games and I will be laughing then.



niksta2 said:
KungKras said:

When I look at many of the 360 and PS3 titles, I see neutered PC games.

when I look at many of the Wii games, I see neutered PS3/Xbox 360 games

O RLY? cause the last time I played a Wii game it was nothing like PS360 games or PC games, it was actually original!



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^^
Think of this: a neutered game could be defined "origEnal"



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KungKras said:
niksta2 said:
KungKras said:

When I look at many of the 360 and PS3 titles, I see neutered PC games.

when I look at many of the Wii games, I see neutered PS3/Xbox 360 games

O RLY? cause the last time I played a Wii game it was nothing like PS360 games or PC games, it was actually original!

trust me, the only thing original about wii games are the controls. That can't make up for level design and every other factor of the game.

If you mean genre's, I guess wii has the birthday party simulation genre down pat.



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Strategyking92 said:
KungKras said:
niksta2 said:
KungKras said:

When I look at many of the 360 and PS3 titles, I see neutered PC games.

when I look at many of the Wii games, I see neutered PS3/Xbox 360 games

O RLY? cause the last time I played a Wii game it was nothing like PS360 games or PC games, it was actually original!

trust me, the only thing original about wii games are the controls. That can't make up for level design and every other factor of the game.

If you mean genre's, I guess wii has the birthday party simulation genre down pat.

So Super Mario Galaxy was not an original platformer with all of it's gravity and stuff? That said, Mario, will never be a neutered PC/PS360 game, Mario Galaxy is a fully fledged console game made for consoles and it plays better on consoles.



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KungKras said:
Strategyking92 said:
KungKras said:
niksta2 said:
KungKras said:

When I look at many of the 360 and PS3 titles, I see neutered PC games.

when I look at many of the Wii games, I see neutered PS3/Xbox 360 games

O RLY? cause the last time I played a Wii game it was nothing like PS360 games or PC games, it was actually original!

trust me, the only thing original about wii games are the controls. That can't make up for level design and every other factor of the game.

If you mean genre's, I guess wii has the birthday party simulation genre down pat.

So Super Mario Galaxy was not an original platformer with all of it's gravity and stuff? That said, Mario, will never be a neutered PC/PS360 game, Mario Galaxy is a fully fledged console game made for consoles and it plays better on consoles.

And this is true.

But do not make it seem as though every wii game is superior to other consoles' games. It is common knowledge this is untrue. You can look at the multiplatform games for comparison if you will. Usually the HD version is better since the main developer spends more time on it, and the technical limitations of the wii are not there. So in other words, usually the wii version is neutered in the end. I say usually because there are probably 2 exceptions out there somewhere.



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Strategyking92 said:

And this is true.

But do not make it seem as though every wii game is superior to other consoles' games. It is common knowledge this is untrue. You can look at the multiplatform games for comparison if you will. Usually the HD version is better since the main developer spends more time on it, and the technical limitations of the wii are not there. So in other words, usually the wii version is neutered in the end. I say usually because there are probably 2 exceptions out there somewhere.

I guess my point was that most Quality Wii games doesn't try to be a PC game, or a PS360 game.



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