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SaviorX on 02 August 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
SaviorX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ph4nt said:
I know why third party games don't sell.

Name me one hardcore game that isn't a low budget, niche game or gimped port, that didn't sell.

thank you.


Madworld was not low budget. The shitty return from being a Wii exclusive really hurt Sega. They put money into that game.

Oh please S.T.A.G.E., you honestly don't believe that. Making PS3 graphics alone cost more than creating Madworld entirely. Valve spent more money marketing Left 4 Dead than Platinum Games spent on Madworld.

 

Every company puts money into a game, but Sega didn't put in that much. They new fully well what they were getting into when they made Madworld. IF you think Madworld was such a heatsink at 260k, why is Sega releasing Valkyria Chronicles 2? MW outsold it in Others, and is 60k away from outselling it in America. This is after 20 weeks on retail to VC's 66. VC's saving grace was Japan, which recently helped it pass the 500k mark. Sega definitely didn't give up on the legs of that game, and it isn't happening with Madworld, or The Conduit for that matter.

 

The Wii is their best system, and their performance in the past quarter won't alter their support for it one inch.

 


Obviously making a PS3 game would cost more than making a Wii game. Sega invested in these game and expected a suitable return because of the installed base of the Wii.

........I said PS3 graphics, I never said entire PS3 games. The graphics alone in a Playstation 3 title would cost more. That is excluding the additon of gameplay, sound, marketing, and writing development. The GRAPHICS ALONE.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 02 August 2009
SaviorX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
SaviorX said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ph4nt said:
I know why third party games don't sell.

Name me one hardcore game that isn't a low budget, niche game or gimped port, that didn't sell.

thank you.


Madworld was not low budget. The shitty return from being a Wii exclusive really hurt Sega. They put money into that game.

Oh please S.T.A.G.E., you honestly don't believe that. Making PS3 graphics alone cost more than creating Madworld entirely. Valve spent more money marketing Left 4 Dead than Platinum Games spent on Madworld.

 

Every company puts money into a game, but Sega didn't put in that much. They new fully well what they were getting into when they made Madworld. IF you think Madworld was such a heatsink at 260k, why is Sega releasing Valkyria Chronicles 2? MW outsold it in Others, and is 60k away from outselling it in America. This is after 20 weeks on retail to VC's 66. VC's saving grace was Japan, which recently helped it pass the 500k mark. Sega definitely didn't give up on the legs of that game, and it isn't happening with Madworld, or The Conduit for that matter.

 

The Wii is their best system, and their performance in the past quarter won't alter their support for it one inch.

 


Obviously making a PS3 game would cost more than making a Wii game. Sega invested in these game and expected a suitable return because of the installed base of the Wii.

........I said PS3 graphics, I never said entire PS3 games. The graphics alone in a Playstation 3 title would cost more. That is excluding the additon of gameplay, sound, marketing, and writing development. The GRAPHICS ALONE.


Hence why I said A PS3 game in general. Sega isn't as strong as they used to be in the 90's man.



SaviorX on 02 August 2009

@STAGE

You are right about that, but Sega's dismal performance in the past quarter cannot be blamed on the Wii alone.



Leatherhat on July 6th, 2012 3pm. Vita sales:"3 mil for COD 2 mil for AC. Maybe more. "  thehusbo on July 6th, 2012 5pm. Vita sales:"5 mil for COD 2.2 mil for AC."

Killergran on 02 August 2009

I know it's an unpopular opinion in here, but I still feel it also has a lot to do with image.

I believe Wii has an image that is intimately connected to Wii Sports. It's fun and accessible. When people buy a Wii they do NOT buy it because they want deep gameplay, a serious attitude or an epic story, but because it offers a fun and new experience. Something to enjoy with friends. (System sellers: Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sports Resort)

When people buy a PS360 this is not the case. Online gaming, epic battles, serious stories and state-of-the-art graphics are the reasons people get the HD consoles (System sellers: Halo 3, Grand Theft Auto IV, Metal Gear Solid 4).

Companies really have a hard time to relate to this. They struggle to find the blend of serious attitude and accessible gaming that will appeal to the Wii audience. Most of the 'hardcore' games released has not yet caught the imagination of the person who bought the Wii Sports Console. They are simply unappealing to the audience.

Naturally, I'm generalizing here. There are plenty of people that do not fit this stereotype.  I also need to point out that Okami sold better on the Wii than on the PS2, that most so called 'hardcore' games on the Wii have been halfassed at best and that third party support for Wii has been spotty.

I know this theory is politically incorrect. It just appeals to me with a theory that assumes people know what they want instead of them being stupid and having bad taste.



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puffy on 03 August 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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puffy said:
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Soriku said:

Core games don't sell on the Wii? Look at MH3 lines.

The reasons past core games on the Wii don't sell too well is because of one of these reasons, or even two or three:

1. They're niche.
2. They're new IPs.
3. They're way too short to justify the price.

1. Madworld and the conduit deserved better.

2. That is understandable.

3. How would most gamers know that its too short to justify the price?


How would most people know it was too short? Studies have shown that on average...

A person who has a good experience with a product will recommend it to 3 people.

A person who has a bad experience with a product will tell 10 people not to purchase it.

 

MadWorld and The Conduit were both new IP's, both were short and have a look at their covers if you don't think they look niche. I can't see how anybody would look at The Conduit's cover and think it was high quality..


If the Conduit had been on any other system, it would've been ignored. This was a chance for Wii gamers who are fans of FPS to come out of hiding and enjoy a truly thoughtful shooter. Heres to hoping it sells well LTD. I guess what you would call a niche title, is only a niche title on the Wii. Team Ico games used to be considered Niche titles on the PS2, but their quality was finally seen once word of mouth went out. I find your studies to be interesting. I am a salesman. In practice it depends on the scenario, but wat you're saying could happen.

Kinda like how lifestyle/exercise games or platformers are only called niche titles on the HD consoles?

Wii is a different market to the HD systems. They are both just about equal in terms of install base but one has a greater online presence than the other. They are both as important as each other. That said, Call of Duty: World at War sold over a million copies, Red Steel sold over a million copies, Call of Duty 3 sold of a million copies and then you can look at the rail shooters with House of the Dead 2 & 3 selling over a million, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles selling over a million.. As did Resident Evil 4 and Metroid Prime 3..

I don't think the shooter genre is a niche market on Wii but the titles that have released in that genre have been either niche in themselves, lower quality than on competing systems or simply remakes. 

Finally I think if we are ever going to see a hugely popular shooter on Wii, it'll have to focus on Wii Sports as it's main competition/inspiration and not other shooters from the HD market, a market with different values from that of the Wii market.


How is a lifestyle/ exercise game a niche? I dunno. Ask the mothers of the world. Wii Fit is a mothers dream game. It is in no way a niche if it sells 20 m units. LTD the Wii fit will probably outsell the PS3 (which is even more sad for gaming). The shooter market on the Wii is a niche. The highest selling shooter on the Wii sold 1.5 M copies and it was a Nintendo first party game. That game was Metroid Prime 3. Platform games sell well on the Wii as long as they are first party. If there is going to be a popular shooter on the Wii, it would have to be an off-shoot of Wii Sports. Probably like an Alien Skeet game or someting.

you didn't read my post properly.. I said lifestyle/exercise games and platformers are are niche on the HD consoles not Wii..