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you forgot a big point NJ5 :

6- WHEN will they release their respective consoles ? who will launch the next gene first ?

that isa master point !



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Squilliam said:
NJ5 said:

As interesting as this generation's console war has been and continues to be, I believe the next one will be even more interesting for the following reasons:

1- Sony and Microsoft will have to decide how much importance they give to motion controls. Do they give it the same level of importance as Nintendo did, or will be a secondary thing?

2- Hardware power... difficult decisions here as well. Nintendo could make the biggest leap among the three console makers, giving some gamers an additional big reason to upgrade. Microsoft and Sony will hardly make a big leap graphics-wise, due to hardware and software development cost.

3- Development costs... will they continue to be high (or even higher as Ubisoft's CEO said), or will developers be less ambitious due to the low profits in this generation?

4- Finally... will any of the three surprise with a totally new control system, or will it just be different combinations of classical and motion controls?

So many questions, and a high possibility of a close fight among the three companies. I think we're in for an interesting few years before (rumors, reveals etc) and after the next generation starts.

 

1. It goes far beyond that. Its also 'To 3d or not to 3d' from the start of the generation and all the implications that has for the rest of the generation which would also dictate software goals and hardware choices.

One thing you didn't mention is hardware identity. What is a next generation console trying to achieve? Is it still a media centre? Is it a computer system with a different interface? How important will things like education be in leveraging the consoles power? Also what devices will it interlink into?

2. Hardware performance? Perhaps not quite that, but instead thermal performance. I.E. Its not how big the chips are, but how much heat they produce. I think the new metric is as much perf per watt as per mm^2. I think they will target a certain thermal parameter and build the console to fit, be it 100W or 150W or even just 50W.

3. Development costs? Well the jump from this generation assets to the next generation shouldn't be too hard. I think the challege was to jump to this generation and not the jump from this generation. A lot of the assets produced now are likely good enough for the next generation, for example I doubt that Forza 4 will force them to remodel the cars.

4. Probably going back to hardware identity and the question of 3d really.

3D would be more radically overshooting the market than HD was. I really don't think we're anywhere near that kind of mass-market penetration.

 

I think that Natal is going to essentially be a Beta for what Microsoft intends to do next generation, so if you're looking at Microsoft's future, i would follow very closely what they do with Natal. How much support they give it, how much support 3rd parties give it, and how mandatory they choose to make it, that's going to be a forerunner of their next console, which will use Natal tech heavily... or not.

With Nintendo, the peak into the future comes from the DSi. Watch the services and functionality they add to the DSi, and you'll see where they intend to go, at least in terms of software services. I think, ultimately, that they'll have a more advanced version of the Wiimote there from day one, and experiment with more radical schemes as they go along, with a requisite leap in power.

I think that the Wand is just going to be another peripheral for the Eye this generation, and like Natal will just run a Beta for more developed control schemes further along, and will foreshadow what Sony is willing to do



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gergroy said:
machinegunmike said:
JEDE3 said:
Next generation won't be for a while.... I mean... people are saying 2011. Really? Is that why Sony and MS introduced peripherals for their CURRENT console this year for next... Wouldn't they need to introduce the console basically next years E3 effectively killing their motion control hype? Unless NATAL is for the next consol... but MS reassured us that its for all 360's

The first company to release their next console will gurantee first or second place next gen,

PS2 launched first they won by a long shot, xbox 360 launched first they took second, You dont know what your talking about.

The next xbox will launch in 2011 and natal will be for both xbox 360 ans xbox 3 and the xbox 360 will slowly be discontinued.

 

not true, you forget the dreamcast, that came out a year before the ps2 and that didn't do anything but destroy the hardware portion of sega.

The Dreamcast did not destroy Sega's hardware business. It was already on life support.



JEDE3 said:
Next generation won't be for a while.... I mean... people are saying 2011. Really? Is that why Sony and MS introduced peripherals for their CURRENT console this year for next... Wouldn't they need to introduce the console basically next years E3 effectively killing their motion control hype? Unless NATAL is for the next consol... but MS reassured us that its for all 360's


nintendo releashed some peripherals in 2005 also if you look at the sells numbers you'll understand why
2011 is going to come up to begin the nextgen



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Xbox 3 launch in Nov 2012:

- powered by a GPU based on ATI Radeon HD 6850
- true 1080p graphics
- Natal-2 motion controls built in
- true 3-D vision technology hardware support
- all Xbox 3 games work with 3-D glasses (as required by MS)

- $499 launch price



$499 launch price?...don´t think so...one of the things this gen has taught is exactly not to release a console at that price.



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I don't think Nintendo will budge unless the price of the next system's games are only minimally above Wii development costs. (Anywhere from $3m- $12m average). Hopefully with more allowed freedom, mostly all of the 3rd parties will get on board with the N6 and probably keep it at #1 in the console war.


The specs cannot be "just better than the 360/PS3" unless the hardware is cheap to make with the parts to do so. All consoles became outdated in hardware the second they launched. But since it is 2009 now, Ninty may choose the high-end B+ stuff available today, and by 2012, have it cheap enough for mass-market production.

Cutting edge has proved to be one of the biggest mistakes and financial heatsinks of this generation of consoles. It would be foolish to continue into an era where game development goes anywhere near $60 million and software prices increase by 15%.

Sony may have to change their strategy, which will be a difficult transition after having it work for 12 years then completely fail. Whatever it is, they will be much smarter next gen and hopefully such mistakes from their end will not occur...............and they will come up with a new controller.

Microsoft won't have that much of a change next gen I don't think. However, they might focus more on destroying Nintendo rather than Sony this time. Their marketing may be a mirror of Nintendo's stuff, from the casual focus, to to peripheral thing. They might try a handheld too, who knows.



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"mostly all of the 3rd parties will get on board with the N6 and probably keep it at #1 in the console war."

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If that happens, it´d be like the SNES again, when I could have Nintendo´s titles plus most major 3rd party titles on a single console.