Shadowblind said:
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Haha. Report all you want. If you`re not allowed to say a company is dishonorable, I don`t know what is allowed. I`ll report you for beeing threatening.
You have a strange way of discussing.
Shadowblind said:
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Haha. Report all you want. If you`re not allowed to say a company is dishonorable, I don`t know what is allowed. I`ll report you for beeing threatening.
You have a strange way of discussing.
| wiifan75 said: My MS dislike is from personal dealings and experience. Business model and practices are from financial experience. No bandwagons passing me. My mind was made up on my own thru personal things over the last 25+ years. Most recently my dealings with Vista and it's failure to work on a factory computer that met it's specs and failed to function properly. But this isn't what I'm interested in discussing. As for hardware revisions, I wasn't aware of MANY but knew that they did address issues already. Keeping in mind that issues are not completely resolved. But when is "acceptable level for electronic failure rate" a number to be satisfied with. If it is still being experienced by owners, isn't it still an unacceptable problem that needs further addressing? My nephews 3 XBox 360 failures were within the last 2 years. I'd say it's a problem now in 2009. Again, if the console is a simplified computer with gaming as it's purpose, why can't it be left on like any other PC or Mac without failure? That's a fair question I think and not hating. Why should any owner of a PS360 have to deal with a console failure due to extended use or leaving it left on. Any PC users have to walk away from the computer after 24 hours of gameplay to let their computers cool down? I'd be interested in knowing. Thanks. |
You obviously don't have much knowledge about computers. Neither does anyone that tries to compare an Xbox 360 to a computer. First off, in order for an Xbox 360 to be affordable, unlike the PS3, Microsoft could not use the most expensive components that go into most computers. Then, the Xbox 360 is not nearly as big as a standard desktop computer, which means that it does not have the benefit of airflow that reduces hardware problems due to heat. Also, manufactured computers have a higher failure rate overall than even the Xbox 360. I personally do repair work for Onforce.com that is the largest computer repair company in the world that does work for all of the major computer manufacturers. They have thousands of jobs everyday for crappy Dell, HP, Gateway and every other manufactured computer on the planet that have all manner of failures. I would never recommend purchasing a manufactured computer period. I build my own computers with high quality parts and know how to maintain them properly. My old computer is still running and it is 10 years old. My current computer is 2 and a half years old with 0 problems. An average manufactured computer is lucky to last 1 year with 0 problems, and the majority die completely within 3-4 years.
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Come on. Has this kid ever posted about anything besides how awful America is? 
How did I ever know this post would get emotional?
OT - Pretty much all big companies are happy to fleece their customers, it's a fact of life. I don't like it, hopefully most don't, but the sad fact is that so long as enough people are happy to allow themselves to be fleeced - and let's face it millions are - then there is no reason for companies to back down.
The simple action that needs to be taken is to refuse to bite at the price, but of course many won't. In the end their need for MW2, or whatever similar game, will override other considerations and they'll pay up.
There are some fair grips about MS in there, but in the end it has as much right as any company to enter any other line of business. If they do a good job they flourish, if they don't they waste a lot of money and eventually fail.
As for Live, it isn't that expensive, although I wouldn't personally chose to pay for it. I could easily aford too, and probably so could anyone paying $50 plus a game, but with PSN and PC online being free, with Live apparently being based on P2P, and with Valve, a much smaller company than MS, seemingly able to offer exactly the same (if not superior) service for free I just don't think the justification is there for any cost whatsoever.
The argument against Themes, etc. is sound enough, however, I note that in US PSN there seem to be premium Themes, too (none in Europe that I know of) - a clear example that when its been proven people will pay other companies are just as happy to charge for stuff that arguably should be a 'freebie' too. I guess my US gaming cousin's have shown themselves to be too willing to pay for their favorite gaming or other Themes.
I do think the main, fair complaint against MS with 360 is the build quality, particularly at launch. They rushed to market with a shoddy product, no questions asked, and given the Xbox seemed very solid it was disappointing they were so happy to put speed to market ahead of the customer. Even today I'd say the 360 is only just getting to acceptable levels of performance, and I still think it get's too damn loud and too damn hot.
As for the general company culture, well, MS probably is one of the worst for using every dirty trick to attain its ends - but that doesn't mean others are pure as snow.
BTW thanks for the Prototype vs inFamous link someone posted. Very amusing. Personally I preferred inFamous by miles, but the article was funny and clearly in jest. Although it's right about the fences - damn I wanted to see those suckers come apart the way they so satisfyingly do in Battlefield 1943.
Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...
To backpeddle a bit as for the price of games. I remember when most if not all games were $50.00 or more, and this was during the NES, Sega Master System era. I remember gong to Toys R' Us to buy a game I really wanted, and it was on sale!. The games Orginal price was $50.00 even, it was on sale for a whopping 49.99! A whole penny in savings.
| Reasonable said: The argument against Themes, etc. is sound enough, however, I note that in US PSN there seem to be premium Themes, too (none in Europe that I know of) - a clear example that when its been proven people will pay other companies are just as happy to charge for stuff that arguably should be a 'freebie' too. I guess my US gaming cousin's have shown themselves to be too willing to pay for their favorite gaming or other Themes. |
If I recall, aren't the PSN premium themes mostly models and sports teams? In my opinion, that's hardly worth paying for when you have many free themes on PSN for games as well as the ability to make and import themes for free.
| wiifan75 said: My MS dislike is from personal dealings and experience. Business model and practices are from financial experience. No bandwagons passing me. My mind was made up on my own thru personal things over the last 25+ years. Most recently my dealings with Vista and it's failure to work on a factory computer that met it's specs and failed to function properly. But this isn't what I'm interested in discussing. As for hardware revisions, I wasn't aware of MANY but knew that they did address issues already. Keeping in mind that issues are not completely resolved. But when is "acceptable level for electronic failure rate" a number to be satisfied with. If it is still being experienced by owners, isn't it still an unacceptable problem that needs further addressing? My nephews 3 XBox 360 failures were within the last 2 years. I'd say it's a problem now in 2009. Again, if the console is a simplified computer with gaming as it's purpose, why can't it be left on like any other PC or Mac without failure? That's a fair question I think and not hating. Why should any owner of a PS360 have to deal with a console failure due to extended use or leaving it left on. Any PC users have to walk away from the computer after 24 hours of gameplay to let their computers cool down? I'd be interested in knowing. Thanks. |
Well if you've had a bad personal experience I understand, just saying the majority of MS haters here are still stuck on the MSFT goes to Supreme Court for monopoly. However more I read I have to agree with madkiller it doesn't seem like you're a consumer that knows what is going on. There is a electronic failure rate for everything, I don't remember the percent but it's generally around 3-5% for consoles but all electronic have a chance to fail. Yes a Boeing commercial airplane you've most likely flown before in the past has a electronic failure rate as well, except in this case if it fails hard enough you die (the chances aren't 3-5%). I'm not trying to say failing is good, but failure is natural and will occur.
My only gripe is that he only targeted Microsoft when Sony is doing this too. You really think Home is meant to be a place for gamers? LOL, it's a dedicated advertising and storefront platform.
DLC is available on both. Games are priced similarly on both. He gives one example of where an item is free on PSN and not free on XBL. I agree themes are a joke, but even the PS3 has premium themes you have to purchase. XBL just has less free ones 
badgenome said:
Come on. Has this kid ever posted about anything besides how awful America is? |
Kos-mos/Citan = Anti-America! Death to America!
Xoj said:
it would be 399$ you know there is nintendo. |
excatly.. people forget that nintendo kicked Sonys butt this gen... M$ had very little to do with it but it did help by stealing games even tho it did not damage sony as much as the wanted to. Sony also killed their own self. (600 price tag was insane but i still bought it day one and am very happy because i have BC.)