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Shadowblind said:
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Shadowblind said:

To the people calling Microsoft a greedy, money-hungry corporation.

Sony and Nintendo are too.

Congratulations on figuring out what a COMPANY is. Certainly hope nobody strained themselves.

 

Greedy and money-hungry applies to Microsoft, A company focussed on profit is Nintendo.

 

The way they achieve these goals determines how I categorize them.

 

That's why I think Microsoft is evil, and takes advantage of it's customers.

 

It's kind of like a businessman and a drug dealer.

 

I mean after all they are just both trying to sell things to get money right? The method they use to get that money is what counts.

 

Before I respond to this, do you know what PROFITS are? Your first line says "no, I do not."

 

Of course, Profit = Revenue - expenses.

It's obvious it's the only reason These companies, or any company for that matter, exists, heck it's the only reason we do anything worthwile really (for the most part). The way you state things it's like all companies are greedy money-whores, which soudns extremely negative.

I don't have a problem with that, what I do have a problem with, like i've stated earlier, is the method a company uses to get that money. Microsoft's tactics,  i find, are insulting. Which is why I, and many others, hate them as a company. I love their products (Windows, xbox) But I despise the company behind it.

Could you specify these tactics that Microsoft uses?  I thank you in advance.

I saw this and thought I'd post a couple of links to wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft

Microsoft have a habit of breaking laws and getting away with it.

Ok, I skimmed most of that, but I fail to see what is unique to Microsoft in a lot of those (and definitely very little for the gaming division).  Sure, someone decided to put forth enough effort to do a Wiki on Microsoft criticism to make things easier to find, but with more dedicated research Sony and Nintendo can be called out on probably about the same number of indiscretions (things that actually affect US as consumers directly).  So why are people so insulted about Microsoft's and not others?

Do you know what cultural means? In this case it means that microsoft comes from a more dishonorable culture where there are more "cheating" if I may call it that, than where Nintendo and Sony are.

cul⋅ture

 

–noun

1. the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
2. that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
3. a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period: Greek culture.
4. development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group: the youth culture; the drug culture.
6. Anthropology. the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.
7. Biology.
a. the cultivation of microorganisms, as bacteria, or of tissues, for scientific study, medicinal use, etc.
b. the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.
8. the act or practice of cultivating the soil; tillage.
9. the raising of plants or animals, esp. with a view to their improvement.
 

the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.

And heres the fun thing. microsoft has a more dishonorable background then any of the 3, THAT WE KNOW OF. This is also pretending that the idea of "honor" still exists these days. Nearly every big company does exactly the same things Microsoft does, but aren't called out and bitched at because of it. People used to try and dig and dig and dig to find as much bad about Microsoft as they possibly can. If they did the same to say Sony or Nintendo, I could only imagine what they'd find. However if I misinterpreted your post speaking about Microsoft being American being dishonorable, please tell me so I can report your post.

Haha. Report all you want. If you`re not allowed to say a company is dishonorable, I don`t know what is allowed. I`ll report you for beeing threatening.

You have a strange way of discussing.



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wiifan75 said:
My MS dislike is from personal dealings and experience. Business model and practices are from financial experience. No bandwagons passing me. My mind was made up on my own thru personal things over the last 25+ years. Most recently my dealings with Vista and it's failure to work on a factory computer that met it's specs and failed to function properly. But this isn't what I'm interested in discussing.
As for hardware revisions, I wasn't aware of MANY but knew that they did address issues already. Keeping in mind that issues are not completely resolved. But when is "acceptable level for electronic failure rate" a number to be satisfied with. If it is still being experienced by owners, isn't it still an unacceptable problem that needs further addressing? My nephews 3 XBox 360 failures were within the last 2 years. I'd say it's a problem now in 2009.
Again, if the console is a simplified computer with gaming as it's purpose, why can't it be left on like any other PC or Mac without failure? That's a fair question I think and not hating. Why should any owner of a PS360 have to deal with a console failure due to extended use or leaving it left on. Any PC users have to walk away from the computer after 24 hours of gameplay to let their computers cool down? I'd be interested in knowing. Thanks.


You obviously don't have much knowledge about computers. Neither does anyone that tries to compare an Xbox 360 to a computer. First off, in order for an Xbox 360 to be affordable, unlike the PS3, Microsoft could not use the most expensive components that go into most computers. Then, the Xbox 360 is not nearly as big as a standard desktop computer, which means that it does not have the benefit of airflow that reduces hardware problems due to heat. Also, manufactured computers have a higher failure rate overall than even the Xbox 360. I personally do repair work for Onforce.com that is the largest computer repair company in the world that does work for all of the major computer manufacturers. They have thousands of jobs everyday for crappy Dell, HP, Gateway and every other manufactured computer on the planet that have all manner of failures. I would never recommend purchasing a manufactured computer period. I build my own computers with high quality parts and know how to maintain them properly. My old computer is still running and it is 10 years old. My current computer is 2 and a half years old with 0 problems. An average manufactured computer is lucky to last 1 year with 0 problems, and the majority die completely within 3-4 years.



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Shadowblind said:
Citan said:

Do you know what cultural means? In this case it means that microsoft comes from a more dishonorable culture where there are more "cheating" if I may call it that, than where Nintendo and Sony are.

 

However if I misinterpreted your post speaking about Microsoft being American being dishonorable, please tell me so I can report your post.

Come on. Has this kid ever posted about anything besides how awful America is?



How did I ever know this post would get emotional?

OT - Pretty much all big companies are happy to fleece their customers, it's a fact of life. I don't like it, hopefully most don't, but the sad fact is that so long as enough people are happy to allow themselves to be fleeced - and let's face it millions are - then there is no reason for companies to back down.

The simple action that needs to be taken is to refuse to bite at the price, but of course many won't. In the end their need for MW2, or whatever similar game, will override other considerations and they'll pay up.

There are some fair grips about MS in there, but in the end it has as much right as any company to enter any other line of business. If they do a good job they flourish, if they don't they waste a lot of money and eventually fail.

As for Live, it isn't that expensive, although I wouldn't personally chose to pay for it. I could easily aford too, and probably so could anyone paying $50 plus a game, but with PSN and PC online being free, with Live apparently being based on P2P, and with Valve, a much smaller company than MS, seemingly able to offer exactly the same (if not superior) service for free I just don't think the justification is there for any cost whatsoever.

The argument against Themes, etc. is sound enough, however, I note that in US PSN there seem to be premium Themes, too (none in Europe that I know of) - a clear example that when its been proven people will pay other companies are just as happy to charge for stuff that arguably should be a 'freebie' too. I guess my US gaming cousin's have shown themselves to be too willing to pay for their favorite gaming or other Themes.

I do think the main, fair complaint against MS with 360 is the build quality, particularly at launch. They rushed to market with a shoddy product, no questions asked, and given the Xbox seemed very solid it was disappointing they were so happy to put speed to market ahead of the customer. Even today I'd say the 360 is only just getting to acceptable levels of performance, and I still think it get's too damn loud and too damn hot.

As for the general company culture, well, MS probably is one of the worst for using every dirty trick to attain its ends - but that doesn't mean others are pure as snow.

BTW thanks for the Prototype vs inFamous link someone posted. Very amusing. Personally I preferred inFamous by miles, but the article was funny and clearly in jest. Although it's right about the fences - damn I wanted to see those suckers come apart the way they so satisfyingly do in Battlefield 1943.






Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

To backpeddle a bit as for the price of games. I remember when most if not all games were $50.00 or more, and this was during the NES, Sega Master System era. I remember gong to Toys R' Us to buy a game I really wanted, and it was on sale!. The games Orginal price was $50.00 even, it was on sale for a whopping 49.99! A whole penny in savings.

 



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Reasonable said:


The argument against Themes, etc. is sound enough, however, I note that in US PSN there seem to be premium Themes, too (none in Europe that I know of) - a clear example that when its been proven people will pay other companies are just as happy to charge for stuff that arguably should be a 'freebie' too. I guess my US gaming cousin's have shown themselves to be too willing to pay for their favorite gaming or other Themes.

If I recall, aren't the PSN premium themes mostly models and sports teams? In my opinion, that's hardly worth paying for when you have many free themes on PSN for games as well as the ability to make and import themes for free.



wiifan75 said:
My MS dislike is from personal dealings and experience. Business model and practices are from financial experience. No bandwagons passing me. My mind was made up on my own thru personal things over the last 25+ years. Most recently my dealings with Vista and it's failure to work on a factory computer that met it's specs and failed to function properly. But this isn't what I'm interested in discussing.
As for hardware revisions, I wasn't aware of MANY but knew that they did address issues already. Keeping in mind that issues are not completely resolved. But when is "acceptable level for electronic failure rate" a number to be satisfied with. If it is still being experienced by owners, isn't it still an unacceptable problem that needs further addressing? My nephews 3 XBox 360 failures were within the last 2 years. I'd say it's a problem now in 2009.
Again, if the console is a simplified computer with gaming as it's purpose, why can't it be left on like any other PC or Mac without failure? That's a fair question I think and not hating. Why should any owner of a PS360 have to deal with a console failure due to extended use or leaving it left on. Any PC users have to walk away from the computer after 24 hours of gameplay to let their computers cool down? I'd be interested in knowing. Thanks.

Well if you've had a bad personal experience I understand, just saying the majority of MS haters here are still stuck on the MSFT goes to Supreme Court for monopoly. However more I read I have to agree with madkiller it doesn't seem like you're a consumer that knows what is going on. There is a electronic failure rate for everything, I don't remember the percent but it's generally around 3-5% for consoles but all electronic have a chance to fail. Yes a Boeing commercial airplane you've most likely flown before in the past has a electronic failure rate as well, except in this case if it fails hard enough you die (the chances aren't 3-5%). I'm not trying to say failing is good, but failure is natural and will occur.




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My only gripe is that he only targeted Microsoft when Sony is doing this too. You really think Home is meant to be a place for gamers? LOL, it's a dedicated advertising and storefront platform.

DLC is available on both. Games are priced similarly on both. He gives one example of where an item is free on PSN and not free on XBL. I agree themes are a joke, but even the PS3 has premium themes you have to purchase. XBL just has less free ones



badgenome said:
Shadowblind said:
Citan said:

Do you know what cultural means? In this case it means that microsoft comes from a more dishonorable culture where there are more "cheating" if I may call it that, than where Nintendo and Sony are.

 

However if I misinterpreted your post speaking about Microsoft being American being dishonorable, please tell me so I can report your post.

Come on. Has this kid ever posted about anything besides how awful America is?

Kos-mos/Citan = Anti-America!  Death to America!



Xoj said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Without MS, how awful and expensive would the PS3 be this gen? Think about it.

it would be 399$ you know there is nintendo.


excatly.. people forget that nintendo kicked Sonys butt this gen... M$ had very little to do with it but it did help by stealing games even tho it did not damage sony as much as the wanted to. Sony also killed their own self. (600 price tag was insane but i still bought it day one and am very happy because i have BC.)