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wiifan75 on 28 July 2009

Another point in that article addressed the RRoD. I'm really curious on this because I haven't experienced it personally so I'll put it out here for others to provide feedback....
If an Xbox 360 is so similar to a computer system by software and hardward, then please explain something to me.
My GameCube could be left on for days and have no problems playing when I'd come back to it and unpause the game that had been paused that whole time. The same is true for my Wii (which I left on about a week, paused, because I couldn't get back to a game and I didn't want to have to start the whole level over again when I was almost done). I went back to the Wii, unpaused, and picked up where I left off (just remembered it was the game Manhunt 2). I know I've left my N64 on for times and even my PS2 slim before. My OSX computer are never turned off. My office XP PC is never turned off. Why then can't the PS360s not be left on in similar fashion? Why do those burn out? Shouldn't there have been energy saving features?
There may be features to protect it but I'm curious about the problems. Again, my friend left his PS3 on overnight and had to send it in for service for overheating. My relative had his 360 exchanged for overheating. I don't understand why these consoles can't be more resilient or reliable when powered on and not in use. No bashing, just sincere curiosity on my part.



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evilronnie42 on 28 July 2009

i hav to say this is bias, just a random fanboy who needs a update on xbox stuff, people like him who start arguements for sick jokes



wiifan75 on 28 July 2009

Where's the bias. It's a fact that it occurs and a question out there for reason or opinions why it's an issue to begin with on consoles. If my Wii was overheating and needing service I'd be just as pissed. Isn't a console not just a specialized computer with one single purpose?



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ph4nt on 28 July 2009
Darth Tigris said:
ph4nt said:
Shadowblind said:
ph4nt said:
Shadowblind said:

To the people calling Microsoft a greedy, money-hungry corporation.

Sony and Nintendo are too.

Congratulations on figuring out what a COMPANY is. Certainly hope nobody strained themselves.

 

Greedy and money-hungry applies to Microsoft, A company focussed on profit is Nintendo.

 

The way they achieve these goals determines how I categorize them.

 

That's why I think Microsoft is evil, and takes advantage of it's customers.

 

It's kind of like a businessman and a drug dealer.

 

I mean after all they are just both trying to sell things to get money right? The method they use to get that money is what counts.

 

Before I respond to this, do you know what PROFITS are? Your first line says "no, I do not."

 

Of course, Profit = Revenue - expenses.

It's obvious it's the only reason These companies, or any company for that matter, exists, heck it's the only reason we do anything worthwile really (for the most part). The way you state things it's like all companies are greedy money-whores, which soudns extremely negative.

I don't have a problem with that, what I do have a problem with, like i've stated earlier, is the method a company uses to get that money. Microsoft's tactics,  i find, are insulting. Which is why I, and many others, hate them as a company. I love their products (Windows, xbox) But I despise the company behind it.

Could you specify these tactics that Microsoft uses?  I thank you in advance.

Of course, Just read my first post a few pages back.



badgenome on 28 July 2009
Liquidlynch13 said:
badgenome said:

It's Destructoid. If you take them seriously, there's something wrong with you. For example: http://www.destructoid.com/how-prototype-is-blatantly-better-than-infamous-135979.phtml

oh man, i can't tell you how badly you just embarassed yourself.

I have no idea what you're talking about, so would you care to try and explain how I embarassed (sic) myself?



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Darth Tigris on 28 July 2009
Scoobes said:
Darth Tigris said:
ph4nt said:
Shadowblind said:
ph4nt said:
Shadowblind said:

To the people calling Microsoft a greedy, money-hungry corporation.

Sony and Nintendo are too.

Congratulations on figuring out what a COMPANY is. Certainly hope nobody strained themselves.

 

Greedy and money-hungry applies to Microsoft, A company focussed on profit is Nintendo.

 

The way they achieve these goals determines how I categorize them.

 

That's why I think Microsoft is evil, and takes advantage of it's customers.

 

It's kind of like a businessman and a drug dealer.

 

I mean after all they are just both trying to sell things to get money right? The method they use to get that money is what counts.

 

Before I respond to this, do you know what PROFITS are? Your first line says "no, I do not."

 

Of course, Profit = Revenue - expenses.

It's obvious it's the only reason These companies, or any company for that matter, exists, heck it's the only reason we do anything worthwile really (for the most part). The way you state things it's like all companies are greedy money-whores, which soudns extremely negative.

I don't have a problem with that, what I do have a problem with, like i've stated earlier, is the method a company uses to get that money. Microsoft's tactics,  i find, are insulting. Which is why I, and many others, hate them as a company. I love their products (Windows, xbox) But I despise the company behind it.

Could you specify these tactics that Microsoft uses?  I thank you in advance.

I saw this and thought I'd post a couple of links to wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft

Microsoft have a habit of breaking laws and getting away with it.

Ok, I skimmed most of that, but I fail to see what is unique to Microsoft in a lot of those (and definitely very little for the gaming division).  Sure, someone decided to put forth enough effort to do a Wiki on Microsoft criticism to make things easier to find, but with more dedicated research Sony and Nintendo can be called out on probably about the same number of indiscretions (things that actually affect US as consumers directly).  So why are people so insulted about Microsoft's and not others?



Grahamhsu on 28 July 2009
wiifan75 said:
Where's the bias. It's a fact that it occurs and a question out there for reason or opinions why it's an issue to begin with on consoles. If my Wii was overheating and needing service I'd be just as pissed. Isn't a console not just a specialized computer with one single purpose?

Dude it's like you're stuck in 2005...there's been multiple revisions of the Xbox 360 hardware that's dramatically reduced RROD to a acceptable level for electronic failure rate.

And as I said before if you hate Microsoft for their tactics than you better hate Rockefeller even more since his tactics were worse and he was actually able to make a monopoly, and if you believe that the Federal Reserve Bank is a private bank than you should hate that as well. If you don't than clearly you're a sheep following the MSFT hate line that was formed many years ago, very original.




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Citan on 28 July 2009
Darth Tigris said:
Scoobes said:
Darth Tigris said:
ph4nt said:
Shadowblind said:
ph4nt said:
Shadowblind said:

To the people calling Microsoft a greedy, money-hungry corporation.

Sony and Nintendo are too.

Congratulations on figuring out what a COMPANY is. Certainly hope nobody strained themselves.

 

Greedy and money-hungry applies to Microsoft, A company focussed on profit is Nintendo.

 

The way they achieve these goals determines how I categorize them.

 

That's why I think Microsoft is evil, and takes advantage of it's customers.

 

It's kind of like a businessman and a drug dealer.

 

I mean after all they are just both trying to sell things to get money right? The method they use to get that money is what counts.

 

Before I respond to this, do you know what PROFITS are? Your first line says "no, I do not."

 

Of course, Profit = Revenue - expenses.

It's obvious it's the only reason These companies, or any company for that matter, exists, heck it's the only reason we do anything worthwile really (for the most part). The way you state things it's like all companies are greedy money-whores, which soudns extremely negative.

I don't have a problem with that, what I do have a problem with, like i've stated earlier, is the method a company uses to get that money. Microsoft's tactics,  i find, are insulting. Which is why I, and many others, hate them as a company. I love their products (Windows, xbox) But I despise the company behind it.

Could you specify these tactics that Microsoft uses?  I thank you in advance.

I saw this and thought I'd post a couple of links to wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft

Microsoft have a habit of breaking laws and getting away with it.

Ok, I skimmed most of that, but I fail to see what is unique to Microsoft in a lot of those (and definitely very little for the gaming division).  Sure, someone decided to put forth enough effort to do a Wiki on Microsoft criticism to make things easier to find, but with more dedicated research Sony and Nintendo can be called out on probably about the same number of indiscretions (things that actually affect US as consumers directly).  So why are people so insulted about Microsoft's and not others?

Do you know what cultural means? In this case it means that microsoft comes from a more dishonorable culture where there are more "cheating" if I may call it that, than where Nintendo and Sony are.



Shadowblind on 28 July 2009
Citan said:
Darth Tigris said:
Scoobes said:
Darth Tigris said:
ph4nt said:
Shadowblind said:
ph4nt said:
Shadowblind said:

To the people calling Microsoft a greedy, money-hungry corporation.

Sony and Nintendo are too.

Congratulations on figuring out what a COMPANY is. Certainly hope nobody strained themselves.

 

Greedy and money-hungry applies to Microsoft, A company focussed on profit is Nintendo.

 

The way they achieve these goals determines how I categorize them.

 

That's why I think Microsoft is evil, and takes advantage of it's customers.

 

It's kind of like a businessman and a drug dealer.

 

I mean after all they are just both trying to sell things to get money right? The method they use to get that money is what counts.

 

Before I respond to this, do you know what PROFITS are? Your first line says "no, I do not."

 

Of course, Profit = Revenue - expenses.

It's obvious it's the only reason These companies, or any company for that matter, exists, heck it's the only reason we do anything worthwile really (for the most part). The way you state things it's like all companies are greedy money-whores, which soudns extremely negative.

I don't have a problem with that, what I do have a problem with, like i've stated earlier, is the method a company uses to get that money. Microsoft's tactics,  i find, are insulting. Which is why I, and many others, hate them as a company. I love their products (Windows, xbox) But I despise the company behind it.

Could you specify these tactics that Microsoft uses?  I thank you in advance.

I saw this and thought I'd post a couple of links to wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft

Microsoft have a habit of breaking laws and getting away with it.

Ok, I skimmed most of that, but I fail to see what is unique to Microsoft in a lot of those (and definitely very little for the gaming division).  Sure, someone decided to put forth enough effort to do a Wiki on Microsoft criticism to make things easier to find, but with more dedicated research Sony and Nintendo can be called out on probably about the same number of indiscretions (things that actually affect US as consumers directly).  So why are people so insulted about Microsoft's and not others?

Do you know what cultural means? In this case it means that microsoft comes from a more dishonorable culture where there are more "cheating" if I may call it that, than where Nintendo and Sony are.

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And heres the fun thing. microsoft has a more dishonorable background then any of the 3, THAT WE KNOW OF. This is also pretending that the idea of "honor" still exists these days. Nearly every big company does exactly the same things Microsoft does, but aren't called out and bitched at because of it. People used to try and dig and dig and dig to find as much bad about Microsoft as they possibly can. If they did the same to say Sony or Nintendo, I could only imagine what they'd find. However if I misinterpreted your post speaking about Microsoft being American being dishonorable, please tell me so I can report your post.


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wiifan75 on 28 July 2009

My MS dislike is from personal dealings and experience. Business model and practices are from financial experience. No bandwagons passing me. My mind was made up on my own thru personal things over the last 25+ years. Most recently my dealings with Vista and it's failure to work on a factory computer that met it's specs and failed to function properly. But this isn't what I'm interested in discussing.
As for hardware revisions, I wasn't aware of MANY but knew that they did address issues already. Keeping in mind that issues are not completely resolved. But when is "acceptable level for electronic failure rate" a number to be satisfied with. If it is still being experienced by owners, isn't it still an unacceptable problem that needs further addressing? My nephews 3 XBox 360 failures were within the last 2 years. I'd say it's a problem now in 2009.
Again, if the console is a simplified computer with gaming as it's purpose, why can't it be left on like any other PC or Mac without failure? That's a fair question I think and not hating. Why should any owner of a PS360 have to deal with a console failure due to extended use or leaving it left on. Any PC users have to walk away from the computer after 24 hours of gameplay to let their computers cool down? I'd be interested in knowing. Thanks.



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