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FootballFan said:
outlawauron said:
FootballFan said:
i am European.

Thousands of years ago is a long time, did you know that in developed humain countries they use to chop peoples heads off? Well that was only 100 years ago in Europe? They also use to discriminate against women, they use to be house bound because people believed/interpreted things differently from the bible. Good thing my continent has moved on from such barabric/disciminatery ways...

lol, no you're blaming Europe chopping people's heads off 100 years ago because of the Bible! That's too funny.

Islam is now the dominant religion in Europe and has been for quite some time.

No. Im not saying that religion caused the violence then, it could have had a part to play though. The reason for a variety in beliefs in the book is because people interprete it how they want to, despite it showing the "clear message of god". Its largly contridictory and does no favours in stopping violence and hatred in general.

I could give you hundreds of examples on how the book can be interpretated and used as an excuse for violence, the story is full of contradictions that can as i have said been seen in a different light. People who are uneducated or have a lack of opotunities see this as a good option to ignore other possibilities to follow the bible to the word. It gives them hope and "can" make them interprete things perhaps how they want and this can lead to extreame views. Especially in certain parts of the US. Just look at the KKK, they are thankfully dying out and i can tell you non of their members are class A students.

You're still blaming the Bible for things that happened 100 years ago whenever Christianity was not the largest religion.

The KKK was and still is a racist group. Looked down upon by nearly everyone. You really wouldn't know too much about the KKK other than what you read online I'm sure. The only active groups are in Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi I believe.



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This is paranormal.

God is real.



highwaystar101 said:
outlawauron said:
highwaystar101 said:

This wont make me popular, in fact this post may get me banned :-/

It's not the religions fault at all, all Christianity teaches is its version of morality at the end of the day. But it is more about the politics that comes with it. Religion seems to hold a lot of political power for some reason in the USA, it can swing whole elections. If that happened in the UK their would be a massive outrage. You often find USA Christians are heavily conservative and this seems to go hand in hand with the religion. Honestly, I can't remember the last Republican I spoke to who wasn't a Christian and so they seem to intertwine conservative beliefs with Christian ones.

And so opposing something as obviously beneficial as a national healthcare system is something that is heavily 'co-incidental' with Christianity, not because it is Christian but because it is conservative. Try and find me a conservative Christian who also doesn't oppose gay marriage or abortion. Opposing national healthcare is just one policy amongst thousands of policies that US Christians seem to hold due to the inherent conservatism.

What I'm trying to say is that where you find Christianity in the USA you will also find conservative values. It's all a messy mix of religion and politics lol.

I will say that there is a HUGE difference in social conservatives and fiscal conservatives. Most squabbles in the Republican party deal with this issue.

I see two types of conservatives in the USA. The secular libertarian who's primary concern is financial conservatism and think freely on social issues (Therealmafoo) and the Christian republican who has a strict opinion on social issues, and these social beliefs effects their financial opinions too (Halogamer). To me, as a foreign observer, it seems that 90% of US conservativesfit more or less into one of these two groups.

They are two very different groups, with one being dominant on financial issues and the other on social issues, but the one I was reffering to was the latter.

Yes, that is more or less correct. However, don't fool yourself in thinking that only Christians are social conservatives.



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Slimebeast said:
This is paranormal.

God is real.

and the proof of god is where exactly?

and i mean defenitive, scientific proof, not fictional texts.



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SciFiBoy said:
outlawauron said:
FootballFan!

What'd go and do?

I can't see your reply.

top of the page, lol, feck knows who this happened, probably just a bug or glitch or something.


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SciFiBoy said:
Slimebeast said:
This is paranormal.

God is real.

and the proof of god is where exactly?

and i mean defenitive, scientific proof, not fictional texts.


This is paranormal

Evidence shows facts

I see no reason to believe in relgion.



outlawauron said:
FootballFan said:
i am European.

Thousands of years ago is a long time, did you know that in developed humain countries they use to chop peoples heads off? Well that was only 100 years ago in Europe? They also use to discriminate against women, they use to be house bound because people believed/interpreted things differently from the bible. Good thing my continent has moved on from such barabric/disciminatery ways...

lol, no you're blaming Europe chopping people's heads off 100 years ago because of the Bible! That's too funny.

Islam is now the dominant religion in Europe and has been for quite some time.

Since when?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Europe_religion_map_en.png

Unless you're trying to make some kind of snide remark about immigration, I don't really see where you're coming from.



Seeing as how this thread is screwed up in its views and the forum itself, I don't think people will be upset if I lock it.

Also, please be respectful of other peoples beliefs. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's right or someone elses belief is stupid.



Firstly I would say most Christians in the United States are not fundamentalist in nature. They are truly the silent majority. Secondly I would say it isn't the religions fault or the books it is derived from that are at fault. Thirdly the Republican party is a coalition party comprised of a few notable demographics that work in unison. Fourthly FOX news is propaganda pure and simple. They have no compunctions whatsoever. They will twist any situation to suit their ends.

Speaking to religion being the root problem. Well it is in the sense that fundamentalists are what could best be described as drones. They only think in the hierarchy of groups. Their initial response to all stimuli is fear. They have no deep understanding of the minds of those outside their group. In fact their mixture of innate fear of the different, and their not being capable of comprehending other view points often leads them to hating. Finally it is in their nature to be subservient they are looking to be commanded, and relish the fact that they are free of doubt.

That isn't the fault of the religion or its texts. You can practice a religion while not being a slave to it or even agreeing with it in totality. In other words you understand that it is a matter of your own personal choice, and that you are entitled to your own point of view. You are even permitted to review or alter your point of view.

The problem with fundamentalism is that, and I hope nobody takes offense. This being my own viewpoint. The problem is that the fundamentalist ranks are rife with those that are morons or weak minded. Be it due to poor education, poor upbringing, early indoctrination, or just a utter lack of wit. Handing people with these problems religion is like giving an assault rifle to a full blown lunatic. You just know they are going to use it in the wrong way.

The reason for this is religion is equal parts panacea, addictive drug, and structure. The follower is thus equal parts hypochondriac, junkie, militaristic. They are scared shiftless by all dangers. So they use the pill to stave off infection. They are basically high always looking to get their friends hooked so they have someone to get high with. Then the structure gives them something for them to fight against.

Which is how we obtain a true paradox. Religion can be a strong force for good in the hands of those that are wise. In the hands of a fool however its a powerful tool for destruction. Sadly the Republican party married their philosophy to this philosophy. They merged with this group so out of the group behavior that is part of its nature. They found themselves a utterly loyal devout demographic. Which will do whatever they say whether religion is involved or not. Especially when they fill them with dread.

What interests me most about this is whether the Republican party itself isn't being consumed alive. All the pro Republican spouting heads in the news seem to be espousing that the party become even more fundamentalist. In spite of the fact that doing so causes the party to shed more potential voters without obtaining any new voters. Not to mention the extreme positions many of them endorse can only result in large segments of the population not being able to vote for them regardless of the parties other positions.